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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Oh fuck me, I was trying to holding my N2 invention as wifom. I'm a dumbass-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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12 players*In post 2522, JacksonVirgo wrote: 13 players total. A wolf that gives out vig's. A cop-inventor. My inventions. A role-based cop role of sorts.
7+ positives for a Town to get, as they're uninformed.
That's over half the game on D1 that can be shown a positive for a gunsmith, that's actually crazy.White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Even worse lmfaoIn post 2526, Gypyx wrote:
12 players*In post 2522, JacksonVirgo wrote: 13 players total. A wolf that gives out vig's. A cop-inventor. My inventions. A role-based cop role of sorts.
7+ positives for a Town to get, as they're uninformed.
That's over half the game on D1 that can be shown a positive for a gunsmith, that's actually crazy.-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo
anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: EnchantWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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How?In post 2529, Gypyx wrote: even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Do u think the remaining wolf os in my pool I just said?In post 2529, Gypyx wrote: anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: Enchant-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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town would need some extremely guaranteed and powerful roles to outweight a 9v3 with 2 kills per nightIn post 2530, JacksonVirgo wrote:
How?In post 2529, Gypyx wrote: even more reason to belive we're in a 2 scum game imo
the closest we have to consistency is a jailkeeper / a followerWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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I think your claim is the only one i'm doubtful of right now, or maybe kage but it's a stretchIn post 2531, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Do u think the remaining wolf os in my pool I just said?In post 2529, Gypyx wrote: anyways, i think it's the only vote i feel kinda good about today, sorry VOTE: EnchantWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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I'd be shocked if you didn't doubt my claim-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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bothyour role and Kage benefits the wolves more than the Town. You can for sure argue that yours was to supplement the Towns fight against the vig's but like a macho-maker and the strengthener is like almost entirely a negative utility role, especially with a JK and a protection-based invention in the game. The Gunsmith that has a positive on everybody and their mother is not counteracting powerful scum kills, it's to find PRs/some inventions. Like it has a positive on every claimed and flipped PR in the game right now + more from the inventions.-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Yeah sorry i'm predictable most boring plays of 2023In post 2534, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'd be shocked if you didn't doubt my claim
but i also view the way you played around all that as very towny individually so like, it's ok?White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Reminder that the strengthener is personal so it pretty much doesn't benefit scum, or like, half as muchIn post 2535, JacksonVirgo wrote:bothyour role and Kage benefits the wolves more than the Town. You can for sure argue that yours was to supplement the Towns fight against the vig's but like a macho-maker and the strengthener is like almost entirely a negative utility role, especially with a JK and a protection-based invention in the game. The Gunsmith that has a positive on everybody and their mother is not counteracting powerful scum kills, it's to find PRs/some inventions. Like it has a positive on every claimed and flipped PR in the game right now + more from the inventions.White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Ah yeah thank you, I forgot that partIn post 2537, Gypyx wrote: Reminder that the strengthener is personal so it pretty much doesn't benefit scum, or like, half as much-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Combined BG vig shoots the machoified guyIn post 2539, JacksonVirgo wrote: The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.
BG doesn't work
free vig shot (big)White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Hey, how about you stop making senseIn post 2540, Gypyx wrote:
Combined BG vig shoots the machoified guyIn post 2539, JacksonVirgo wrote: The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.
BG doesn't work
free vig shot (big)-
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too muchWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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He appears to be Katsuku 2.0. A JOAT with a Gunsmith, Follower and a Modifier Cop. All of which aid in finding PRs instead of wolves in this setupIn post 2542, Gypyx wrote: what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much-
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vote me out or suffer JacksonvirgoIn post 2541, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Hey, how about you stop making senseIn post 2540, Gypyx wrote:
Combined BG vig shoots the machoified guyIn post 2539, JacksonVirgo wrote: The only thing I don't super duper like is the macho-maker which doesn't make much sense to have but I'm willing to overlook that for now. Kage on the other hand, that's almost certainly a scum role masked to look like a town one. If not by social play (aka he's a v-cop or something), then it's made with the Godfather in mind to be a safe fake-claim for them.
BG doesn't work
free vig shot (big)White Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Gypyx She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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I seeIn post 2543, JacksonVirgo wrote:
He appears to be Katsuku 2.0. A JOAT with a Gunsmith, Follower and a Modifier Cop. All of which aid in finding PRs instead of wolves in this setupIn post 2542, Gypyx wrote: what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much
unrelated but it seems we have 3 inventors and 2 JOATs, would kinda make sense for one of both to be scum?
regardless i think we wait a bit before killing kage regardlessWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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I have a few pools right now. I have the wagons that Dann avoided voting { enchant / kage }
I have the two pools based on who Dann flipped their read on { Gypyx / Thom } { Enchant / Kage }
And then I have the lack of actions + no other reason to TR them in { Thom / Enchant }.-
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I'm unsure if Town would truly have two JOATs and two Inventors, I guess with double kills and two wolves who can do that type of thing itcouldmake sense but I severely doubt it. I probably stick to my guns that I went with early today and just say we wipe Enchant and Kage from the game and that probably just wins us the game in a 2-wolf game and then solve in Thom/Gypyx if it's a 3-wolf game. That's just from my perspective of course. Scum needs to dig their feet in to win this, which makes me feel like it's Kage over Enchant and I still believe that completely but I am okay with Enchant as a wagon.-
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Please stop misgendering me. And are you seriously arguing that scum would not just forgo their nightkill to use a Follower shot, but find a Jailkeep+investigative with it and then... not kill them?In post 2543, JacksonVirgo wrote:
He appears to be Katsuku 2.0. A JOAT with a Gunsmith, Follower and a Modifier Cop. All of which aid in finding PRs instead of wolves in this setupIn post 2542, Gypyx wrote: what is kage's role exactly btw? didn't understeand that part too much-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Sorry for the misgendering.In post 2548, Duelist Kage wrote: Please stop misgendering me. And are you seriously arguing that scum would not just forgo their nightkill to use a Follower shot, but find a Jailkeep+investigative with it and then... not kill them?
You placed a snuck premise in that statement. I have not drunk the 2-wolf coolaid so refrain from throwing down your assumptions down my throat and pretending I am making arguments with them.
Regarding the kill, I feel it's incredibly likely that the wolves would use the vig/hider shots first. Given how they'd 100% claim it if it were the vig/bg and that the wolves are incredibly unlikely to give away the base vigilante shot first which means the N1 and N2 factional kills aremissingentirely. Why would this be the case? It doesn't make sense without some out of the box thinking, or wifom arguments from the wolves which would be what you're doing now. I also don't have the information that the wolves would have, so you're asking me to assume scum motivation where I have no logical way of discerning that outside of theories which I already see your the type of person to just throw away anything that doesn't 100% force you to change your way of thinking considering you've already done it many times.
I can see four worlds
1. The wolves are choosing to refrain from killing.
2. The kills have been blocked twice in a row.
3. The wolves cannot kill.
4. Magical fourth world where I am overlooking or lacking a piece of information
The likelihood of wolves choosing to not kill is incredibly low considering the amount of kill-power they seem to have. 3 kills is exponentially better than 1/2, plus that kill would be directly controlled by the wolves as opposed to put in the hands of the Town.
I don't remember who Elements said they blocked N2 but regardless, they blocked dave N1 and I doubt anybody believes them to be a wolf considering the circumstances surrounding them.
So, chances are that the wolves just simply cannot kill. What world would land in a no-kill world? One where all the wolves are compulsive and thus cannot have access to the night kill at all, which is the theory that has been cooking in my mind a lot since Thom had started the theory D2. Which is massively not what I expect from a Normal but it's a complex and it's already tripped me out with the mech so what's stopping it really. It would make sense in a 2 or 3 scum world given that the remaining scum can still use Dann's inventions.
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