Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[usesPython]

this is why i turned of avatar display so they are not a distraction for reading people

Could this be a form of cheating (sidesteps the townmaxxing avatar meta)

[yessiree]

this is why i turned of avatar display so they are not a distraction for reading people

Yet you still have the jiggly dick and balls

it's to distract other people not me

[Enchant]

Enchant what changed ur mind on Bingle slot being possible scum

probably mafia won't jump on buddy like that

[Firebringer]

Enchant what changed ur mind on Bingle slot being possible scum

probably mafia won't jump on buddy like that

CONCLUSIVE PROOF THAT ENCHANT IS SORTING

I FOUND IT EVERYONE

[Enchant]

Not really i stoled it from Python post

[Firebringer]

Shut up let me have this win

[yessiree]

next question: enchant why you hammer furtive but not lemon

[Enchant]

I thought

lemon

naerys town.

[Firebringer]

Did you think Naerys was town because I was voting her

[usesPython]

next question: enchant why you hammer furtive but not lemon

It's so that you can hammer all the scum

[yessiree]

next question: enchant why you hammer furtive but not lemon

It's so that you can hammer all the scum

TRUE, good guy enchant move lol

but when did townreading someone ever stop him from hammering, or is this piece of meta not accurate anymore

[Enchant]

Did you think Naerys was town because I was voting her

I forgot why exactly.

Naerys being angry at everything and replacement convinced me.

[usesPython]

next question: enchant why you hammer furtive but not lemon

It's so that you can hammer all the scum

TRUE, good guy enchant move lol

but when did townreading someone ever stop him from hammering, or is this piece of meta not accurate anymore

We've survived being put at E-1 on day 1 in town!Enchant games before, it's not 100% accurate anymore

[Enchant]

I won't hammer if it's hilarious/i believe wagon on town.


But let's be honest, if i townread you, then supposedly rest of town also will.

[Enchant]

Wtf did i just selfmeta disgusting

[usesPython]

Enchant
Dave
Theta
Bella
Bingle
VACANT

Why is Theta in there

Because Theta is town ofc


Next question

What makes theta town btw

[Enchant]

Only practical reasoning are for Dave and Bingle really.

Bella and Theta is simple obvtown (but may be not obvtown if i suck (i probably not suck))

[davesaz]

Starting to get data...
Each list is in the relative order the first votes were made to/by players. Additional votes are tallied.
This is output from a program inside the spoilers, with my analysis of the meaning of the data outside.
Subject to possible errors given it's only been working for a couple hours, but certain parts of the conclusions should be easy to check.

Spoiler: who was voted by Titus

Titus {'Doctor Drew': 2, 'Aristeia': 1, 'Bingle': 1, 'Enchant': 1, 'usesPython': 1, 'DragonEater70': 1}

6 slots voted by Titus slot

Spoiler: who voted for Titus

Titus {'Dannflor': 3, 'Gamma Emerald': 4, 'Firebringer': 3, 'Doctor Drew': 3, 'Bingle': 2, 'DragonEater70': 5, 'davesaz': 2, 'yessiree': 3, 'Aristeia': 2, 'Enchant': 2, 'usesPython': 1, 'lemon.tangerine': 1, 'RCEnigma': 1}

13 slots voted for Titus slot
All of the slots voted by Titus slot are on this list. The delta is Dannflor, Gamma, Firebringer, davesaz, yessiree, RCEnigma.

Spoiler: who was voted by Naerys/lemon

lemon.tangerine {'furtiveglance': 1, 'yessiree': 2, 'Bingle': 1, 'Titus': 1, 'davesaz': 1, 'RCEnigma': 1, 'Aristeia': 1}

7 slots voted by Naerys/lemon slot

Spoiler: who voted for Naerys/lemon

lemon.tangerine {'Aristeia': 3, 'usesPython': 1, 'Firebringer': 4, 'furtiveglance': 2, 'Gamma Emerald': 2, 'Dannflor': 3, 'Bingle': 2, 'Theta Alpine': 1, 'Doctor Drew': 1, 'yessiree': 1}

10 slots voted for Naerys/lemon slot. RCEnigma and davesaz were voted by and did not vote for. usesPython, Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, Dannflor, Theta Alpine, Doctor Drew voted for but not by.

If my tool is working correctly, neither one self voted.
The combined Titus lists are missing 3 players. Bellaphant, furtiveglance, Theta Alpine

The combined Naerys/lemon lists are missing 3 players. Bellaphant, Dragon, Enchant

Subtracting flipped town, the interesting player list from the perspective of having never voted or been voted by one of the flipped scum is Bellaphant, Theta Alpine, Enchant.
Bellaphant is notable for not having any voting interactions with either flipped scum.

I can now do this particular thing at will for any player, either who they've voted for or who they have been voted by.

Can someone explain how Bellaphant is obv town? I think it's a little sus to have zero vote interactions with the scum.

Spoiler: who Bellaphant has voted for

Bellaphant {'yessiree': 2, 'unvote': 1, 'furtiveglance': 2, 'Enchant': 1, 'Bingle': 1}

Spoiler: who has voted for Bellaphant

Bellaphant {'furtiveglance': 2, 'DragonEater70': 1, 'davesaz': 1}

VOTE: Bellaphant

[davesaz]

That's not the only thing I can do with the data, but it's 1am and therefore time to sleep.

[RCEnigma]

Fwiw I think there is some kind of dichotomy between Dave and Bella. It’s probably easiest to follow through Bella’s iso day 1 and partially 2.

It wasn’t worth pursuing over other slots early since it could just be town!bella in a tunnel.

I’d probably go Dave first. There is some nuance to the way bella approached yessir vs Ari and vs Ari yesterday that I really liked.

[RCEnigma]

That sounds like I wanna go there first, I wanna flip theta today.

[Alisae]

V OTECOUNT 4.1
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
RCEnigma (2)	Theta Alpine, usesPython
Enchant (1)	yessiree
Firebringer (1)	Enchant
usesPython (1)	Doctor Drew
Bellaphant (1)	davesaz
NOT VOTING: Bellaphant, Aristeia Firebringer, Bingle, RCEnigma
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2024-02-03 05:26:01)
Notes:

[Aristeia]

Fwiw I think there is some kind of dichotomy between Dave and Bella. It’s probably easiest to follow through Bella’s iso day 1 and partially 2.

what does this even mean

like what does Dave's alignment have to do with Bella's?

[Aristeia]

like why can't they both just be town?

[Aristeia]

Mueh, ht, Ari and gamma voted for nearys on some pretty bad reasoning. Considering that's confirmed town and flipped town, I'd eat my hat if one of Ari/the ht slot wasn't scum.

Because the case was bullshit, Ari, frankly. Do you disagree?

Youbare telling me that scum get the chance to sheep conf!town onto lhf that other people had fairly low down their reads list and every one of them said nah, not today?

About the flash wagon on nearys. It was bad.

Meuh made a pretty bad case on nearys.

Mueh, you, gamma and hu tao voted for her basically in reaction.

I don't think four town and no scum look at the shit case and vote.

Considering one of the four is conf town and the other is flipped town, I'd really struggle to see that scum wouldn't jump on the opportunity to get an elim through (I will check who was actually being wagoned at the time as well)

Thereofor, I feel more Sus of you and Hu. Considering I was fine voting for both of you anyway, I may be conf!biased but I think the flash wagon is at least worth discussing.

Ari, that's an awful lot of words to exceptionally miss the point.

The thing I don't like about the case is that it lacks depth and everyone was... fine with that?

In fact, I think I'm the only person who went on the ask ney about her meta, her experience with Titus, etc., and it was her responses to that that made me doubt my sr: she wasnt trying to convince me of her take, even when I flat out disagreed with what she was saying about Titus's recent scum game - it felt like she was just stating her truth.

So of course the votes on look more opportunistic. Town, to Me, want to understand what's going on. It's what I'm not seeing in our interactions - you don't want to understand, you just wanna argue. You did the same to yessiree.


When I made my points about yess, although he started off being really 'wtf is this ' he later came back to 'meh, it's bad but I can why town would see this and think what Bella's thinking ' that thought process of 'can I see why someone would do that'. It's what I try to do as town so I tr it more naturally.

I expect you to go 'hey, it's not unreasonable that Bella thinks that four people flash wagonning someone without any apparent critical thought or engagement is a bit sus'.

It's not about being informed. This is what I said earlier to you: you keep adding in random stuff that feels really agenda led that isn't anything to do with the conversation. It stresses me out because I can't tell if you are mafia madly deflecting, or just blinkered town, or just massively defensive for??

It feels like it did with yessiree, that anything that looks like vaguely critical of you, you just kick off about. It's just a normal part of mafia and also the process of sorting people.

^ this sequence is why I think Bella is town in this game. Like she put forth a pretty flawed case[imo] about how Naerys was LHF and people were sheeping conftown!meuh onto Naerys!lhf and that there must be mafia in those sheep - and when I pushed back on her case being bad - she doubled down and got upset at me for fighting her and not trying to understand her. I feel like this shows she

geniunely believes

her case about - which would necessitate that she actually sees Naerys as an LHF slot and not a partnered slot.