Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[DragonEater70]

I can't say conclusively that he would play like this every game, but I do think what I described makes sense with his trajectory on me and how he usually plays as town.

[Klick]

D&D is finished

I have no idea how it's concerning that I would have time for a quick question but not for an answer that probably requires thought.

I think it requiring thought is more likely to come from scum than town

Liar.

You stopped asking 'why' and have locked yourself into an opinion on how and why I'm approaching this situation the way I am

I am specifically concerned that you needed time to fabricate a sensible response to everyone having a different reaction to gob's death than you (expected)

[fireisredsir]

I can't say conclusively that he would play like this every game, but I do think what I described makes sense with his trajectory on me and how he usually plays as town.

the context is that his vote from yesterday just flipped town

and as of end of day yesterday he was leaning town on appearance, and townreading me and you

if he's town he knows that there's scum in the three of us

how do you expect him to approach to this day phase, if it isn't to sort through which of his townreads/townleans is scum?

[T3]

It's really peculiar to try to analyze a kill on someone who didn't have any thread control but had strong opinions that were running against the grain.

Nah it’s not exactly thread control, more how much will their actions actually change the gamestate. For example in a recent scumgame I killed Titus and faked a guilty on Bingle - despite the fact that their reads were dead wrong and neither of them were widely townread, they were actively pushing people and trying to change the gamestate and it was a threat to my control of the day thread. Tbh that’s more of a personal play philosophy more than anything else, I’m not sure if all other scum think the same way.

[Klick]

I know it could be NAI but honestly it does feel like he's fake sorting me because as town he would either just let me be (because he TR's me) and sort other people,

Do you think it's unreasonable for me to be questioning your towniness at this stage

I don't exactly have many options for scum on-coalition atm

[DragonEater70]

Just so I don't annoy Klick again by not answering: I'll be logging of for today since I need to sleep soon, will answer anything + give fuller scum case and more elaboration tomorrow.

[Klick]

I can't say conclusively that he would play like this every game, but I do think what I described makes sense with his trajectory on me and how he usually plays as town.

the context is that his vote from yesterday just flipped town

and as of end of day yesterday he was leaning town on appearance, and townreading me and you

if he's town he knows that there's scum in the three of us

how do you expect him to approach to this day phase, if it isn't to sort through which of his townreads/townleans is scum?

Lmao the soul read

[T3]

Imagine for a moment that the scumteam is made up of two widely townread players - who should they actually kill? They could kill the one or two people who are sussing them, but I highly doubt that gob was killed because of his reads. I think it’s more likely that scum thought that a gob kill would create a more favorable gamestate.

[Klick]

VOTE: DragonEater

[fireisredsir]

gonna think on things ill be back later

[T3]

VOTE: implosion

[T3]

I feel very in-sync with fire. I’d be very surprised if he was scum here.

[T3]

I’m fairly certain fire is town

I’m fairly certain Appearance is town

I’m somewhat certain DV is town

Dragon and Klick are probably not partnered

Thus implosion is scum

[DeasVail]

I will be able to look at this throughout the day.

[Prism]

I've been informed Appearance will have limited access the next week, particularly from the 26th to the 29th. Since we've already had 3 replacements, I've chosen to allow that extended V/LA.

24 hours will be added to the deadline to compensate.

The new Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-02 12:30:00).

[T3]

Have fun on your cruise

[implosion]

I honestly think that gob was the obvious low-info kill here and tbh I think it's a bit scummy of all three of you, fireisred, and T3 to be talking about the kill as if it gives info, because again it's a freaking low-info kill.

I don't think this is a scum reaction to all this. If Dragon shot gob because gob was suspicious of him, or even because he wanted a low info kill, I don't see the scum utility for calling like half the player list scummy for NK spec. It's one of those things that is just more likely to draw ire from a bunch of people than it is to swing around the other way to being called town for it

[implosion]

I would like to hear from Appearance what his current read on the scum in coalition is given the flip, and if he has any strong views on partnerships or generally what angle he's viewing solving the game from at this point.

[Appearance]

reading up rn.
i've only just been able to access internet. sorry.

[implosion]

Right now I'm mostly feeling that I just still don't buy dragon scum. This pivot on to Klick feels like, to a tee like what I'd expect him to do as town here in terms of tone and substance. It's the kind of thing that I think I'd expect often from him as town (because I think he probably tends to re-evaluate things at this point in the game + he's had consistent underlying suspicion/uncertainty about Klick since the coalition phase) and rarely from him as scum (because it along with the above post I quoted give me an impression of someone who is more concerned about saying his piece than being townread)

[Appearance]

given the flips, i feel like i need to reaccess my read on fire and maybe also dragon.
from memory gob was pushing them the most.
dunn felt like a compromise wagon so not sure what to deal with that tho it means that i'm definitely misreading at least one scum here as town.

[fireisredsir]

Right now I'm mostly feeling that I just still don't buy dragon scum. This pivot on to Klick feels like, to a tee like what I'd expect him to do as town here in terms of tone and substance. It's the kind of thing that I think I'd expect often from him as town (because I think he probably tends to re-evaluate things at this point in the game + he's had consistent underlying suspicion/uncertainty about Klick since the coalition phase) and rarely from him as scum (because it along with the above post I quoted give me an impression of someone who is more concerned about saying his piece than being townread)

i can kind of understand this

i didn't think dragon's start to the day felt rational, but im not sure that it felt scummy

[Appearance]

i feel like irrationality might be town-indicative in general but i need to doublecheck dragon's scumgame in case it's the opposite for him.

[DeasVail]

I don't want to eliminate appearance anymore. I'm not usually one to analyse kills in great depth but I don't think the gob kill happens if gob was totally wrong. If gob was wrong on his reads, then leave him alive, let him steamroll through his pool or draw the ire of the rest of the town and get eliminated. As scum, I would NOT be expecting the town to sheep dead-gob, so all the more reason to.

Now, it is slightly problematic that gob's pool included 3 people on the coalition, but the fact is that gob clearly didn't want Appearance gone and so I don't either.

I... think I might need to just go for fireisred. There is nothing wrong with their play. They are totally reasonable and full of that townie goodness and all that, but with a lack of other options I feel good about, that is no longer really enough. Throughout my day of thinking anout the game I have swayed a little on DragonEater. There would be something satisfying about Dragon being scum, but I'm still not actually sure that this is it. There is a slight "unhinged" quality to Dragon's play at times that I think would be difficult to fake, whereas fireisred... I could see it?

Elsewhere, I do kind of like that implosion went a bit against the grain on DragonEater by calling him town for what I thought were good reasons.

I do want to be open-minded and so am interested to see where Klick goes on that read. After all, gob called Dragon scum too, but I'm not sure that I see it.

[DragonEater70]

Alright guys

I have promised you a scum case on Klick, and I am going to deliver.

I'm also going to obvtown a bit because I haven't done that for a while and I kinda don't want to be elimmed by accident.