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[JacksonVirgo]

by public info do you mean it was known day 2? sorry things are messy

Yeah it was known before Elements claimed

[JacksonVirgo]

Ima be honest with how hard JV has been pushing me as scum most of the game I'm struggling to lock in a TR on them, even if logic is making me think they're probably town..

What? I haven't pushed you since D1

You literally said I should be vigged last night :lol:

Purely PoE, aside from you and Hu Tao (who I actively town-read). The rest were Enchant who was getting limmed and then PRs.

[Thomith]

Again the argument there is probably moot because logic is telling me you are probably town, I'm just paranoid.

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanted Kage shot initially

[Thomith]

Is there a list of claims somewhere?
Don't need to link me the post, just who sent it if we know so I can look it up/bump it.

[Gypyx]

Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went

[Thomith]

I'm wondering if scum jumped on my 2 scum theory to try and create conf bias for us to not think we were in ELo when we were.

[JacksonVirgo]

Is there a list of claims somewhere?
Don't need to link me the post, just who sent it if we know so I can look it up/bump it.

Not a complete one but the post Gypyx claimed there was all the claims up to that point

[Thomith]

Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went

Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?

[Gypyx]

yeah whatever i'll fullclaim

i'm a lazy Inventor (announcing FruitVendor, Cop-Inventor, compulsive personal Strengthener, Macho)

i gave the cop inventor invention to black night 1, this might be what caused the gunsmith guilty

assuming every claim as true, this would make the setup the following :

Town lazy Inventor (announcing FruitVendor, Cop-Inventor, compulsive personal Strengthener, 1-shot activated Macho)
Town JOAT (activated Ascetic, activated Informed, activated UniversalBackup)
Town combined JKer investigative
Town with a gunsmith and follower shot
6VT

Werewolf lazy weak compulsive Inventor (compulsive combined Vigilante Bodyguard x2, compulsive combined Vigilante Hider x2, compulsive strongwilled weak Vigilante)
Werewolf ???

this feels like it makes sense?

add jackson's thingy which isn't really out anyways

[Gypyx]

Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went

Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?

I mean

they have access to the kill theoretically but if they're all some compulsive *whatever* they can't actually perform it

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm wondering if scum jumped on my 2 scum theory to try and create conf bias for us to not think we were in ELo when we were.

I think it's fairly likely scum would be the people who let it happen passively and not push it hard like Kage did

[Gypyx]

that would explain the black / katsuki deaths night 2 with nothing claimed as black would've got the exploder and chose to kill her pet scumread

[Thomith]

Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went

Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?

I mean

they have access to the kill theoretically but if they're all some compulsive *whatever* they can't actually perform it

Gotcha

[Gypyx]

making kage's modifier cop an actual cop

[Thomith]

I'm wondering if scum jumped on my 2 scum theory to try and create conf bias for us to not think we were in ELo when we were.

I think it's fairly likely scum would be the people who let it happen passively and not push it hard like Kage did

Idk, since I was the main one to present it I feel like they could push it pretty hard then blame me for it being my idea.

[Gypyx]

kinda think it's hu tao by PoE?

[JacksonVirgo]

kinda think it's hu tao by PoE?

Yeah I came to the same conclusion, not completely PoE. I still feel it's awkward that Elements' guessed that they didn't use the action, was correct and then Hu Tao did this weak 2-second reaction test about it

[Thomith]

making kage's modifier cop an actual cop

With the invention you got from JV would you say they're likely town?

I fear my paranoia is making it hard for me to commit to a read on them. (I keep seeing "gotcha" moments that I think I'm only seeing because I'm paranoid/tunelled)

[Thomith]

Like my paranoia is telling me that JV being adamant it probably wasn't 2 scum was potentially TMI, but I fully aware this is probably me being paranoid.

[Gypyx]

Like my paranoia is telling me that JV being adamant it probably wasn't 2 scum was potentially TMI, but I fully aware this is probably me being paranoid.

nah i agree it's super fishy, especially since we hadn't realized there was no mauling done yet

[Gypyx]

making kage's modifier cop an actual cop

With the invention you got from JV would you say they're likely town?

I fear my paranoia is making it hard for me to commit to a read on them. (I keep seeing "gotcha" moments that I think I'm only seeing because I'm paranoid/tunelled)

I think it's ev-neutral, him waiting so long to give it out is probably protown tho

[JacksonVirgo]

JV being adamant it probably wasn't 2 scum was potentially TMI

I just didn't believe a 2-wolf world was super obvious and nothing anybody said convinced me that it was overly impossible one way or the other so I went with what I felt was right and made theories that corroborated that. I figured if I was wrong, there's no harm in doing what I was doing so I full sent it as nobody else was and if I wanted to play optimally I should always play for the WCS. Which is what I did, albeit wrong on my stronger reads

[Thomith]

Also nobody ever let me do setup spec again.

[Duelist Kage]

Okay good, dave got the memo on shooting Elements instead if she was wrong about him being vanilla. I was a little worried since it hadn't been explicitly stated. Damn, that was a nice fakeclaim from her. Adding Simple for no particular reason was just a chef's kiss.

I got the Macho, of course, and the Vig+BG invention so I shall be exploding myself tonight if we don't catch the last wolf here.

I didn't realize that inventions from an inventor would trigger ModifierCop as well, as I got a list of all of the modifiers Gypyx claimed for her inventions: lazy, announcing, personal, compulsive. I may have chosen targets differently if I'd realized that but still, I'm inclined to clear her because Elements was the backup so the last wolf must be the Godfather and giving all that on top seems a bit much? Although I guess expecting things to not be a bit much from this game at this point is maybe... a bit much?

We need to know what's going on with Jackson's inventions now.