micro 1096: planned idea [game over]

[Black]

At the same time this one still isn't a fan of you trying to drum up support for Koba INSTEAD of Margot.

Why does this bother you? I had a slight townlean on Margot at the time and I wasn't townreading Koba

Cause your townlean on Margot was dumb.

Well first of all I disagree. But for the sake of the argument let's say she is scum and the read is dumb. Town have dumb reads all the time. Why is this particular read scummy to you?

[HighPrincessErinys]

At the same time this one still isn't a fan of you trying to drum up support for Koba INSTEAD of Margot.

Why does this bother you? I had a slight townlean on Margot at the time and I wasn't townreading Koba

Cause your townlean on Margot was dumb.

Well first of all I disagree. But for the sake of the argument let's say she is scum and the read is dumb. Town have dumb reads all the time. Why is this particular read scummy to you?

If not for Rogues flipping scum and it being down to 1 scum, this one would say you two might be partnered and you're trying to cover for her. Its still a possibility you see her as a valuable asset (read: liability to town) however, and in general this one just really disagrees (disagreed? Rogues really did complicate things.) with, on the other end, your Koba read too.

[Flare Fluff]

and one of the slots NOT involved with the shaddowez wagon flipping scum is kinda reeking of fish, to me.

And to expand on this in particular:
As my 154 laid out: Roden, tris, Ausuka and technically Koba were on the shaddowez wagon. That's 2 conftown. And of the two "outlier" slots that were on neither of the RVS wagons, the hydrae, one is conftown, and the other is scum. Ausuka flipped town, but shaddowez... It makes me think.

I want to see reads that are not based on wagons and instead I want to see reads from the content of the player's posts. Doing reads based on wagons makes it look like a tmi read.

- A

[Flare Fluff]

I want Margot and Shaddow to post more. It makes it hard to read them without seeing more content from them.

- A

[Black]

If not for Rogues flipping scum and it being down to 1 scum, this one would say you two might be partnered and you're trying to cover for her.

I don't even see the point in mentioning this

in general this one just really disagrees (disagreed? Rogues really did complicate things.) with, on the other end, your Koba read too.

Fwiw I disagree with my old Koba read too

[Black]

I still think it could be Koba tbh

HPE -> shaddow -> Koba probably wins us the game. I don't think it's Margot

[Flare Fluff]

Between the four players in HPE, shaddow, Black, and Margot, I would say Margot looks the towniest among the four for wanting to give reads before she thought she was going to get hammered last day. It can still be fakeable but at least it's something.

- A

[HighPrincessErinys]

I still think it could be Koba tbh

HPE -> shaddow -> Koba probably wins us the game. I don't think it's Margot

We could always compromise on shaddow together.

[Flare Fluff]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

Can you explain your progression on shaddow here from being town lock on day 1 to instantly being your first vote candidate on day 2? On day 2 you said you would vote in either shaddow or Black and why did you choose to want to vote shaddow over Black who you has as a null read?

- A

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

Can you explain your progression on shaddow here from being town lock on day 1 to instantly being your first vote candidate on day 2? On day 2 you said you would vote in either shaddow or Black and why did you choose to want to vote shaddow over Black who you has as a null read?

- A

This one has already explained the correlation between shaddowez and Rogues.

[Flare Fluff]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

Can you explain your progression on shaddow here from being town lock on day 1 to instantly being your first vote candidate on day 2? On day 2 you said you would vote in either shaddow or Black and why did you choose to want to vote shaddow over Black who you has as a null read?

- A

This one has already explained the correlation between shaddowez and Rogues.

Can you show me the post where you explained so that I can see it.

- A

[shaddowez]

So at this point PoE leads me to believe it's in Margot/HPE/Black, with Koba a far outlier. Black I'm not getting scum vibes from, her play is very similar here to a
recent town game I had with her.

My Margot read is based largely on Roden's early play, and her early replace in didn't give me town vibes, but her end of Day play did.

That really leaves me only with HPE, so I'll go 1v1 there. I know I'm town and don't want to be limmed toDay, but if that leads to a win tomorrow I'm fine with it.

Still don't like FF play, but since tris didn't cc the mason claim that clears both of them.

Wasn't really expecting this to be the reads list I owe Flare when I started it, but it ended up being that.

[Flare Fluff]

So at this point PoE leads me to believe it's in Margot/HPE/Black, with Koba a far outlier. Black I'm not getting scum vibes from, her play is very similar here to a
recent town game I had with her.

My Margot read is based largely on Roden's early play, and her early replace in didn't give me town vibes, but her end of Day play did.

That really leaves me only with HPE, so I'll go 1v1 there. I know I'm town and don't want to be limmed toDay, but if that leads to a win tomorrow I'm fine with it.

Still don't like FF play, but since tris didn't cc the mason claim that clears both of them.

Wasn't really expecting this to be the reads list I owe Flare when I started it, but it ended up being that.

I don't like your play either.

- A

[shaddowez]

Also, since I'm at a computer for the first time since posting my beginning of Day stuff, here's the full rundown of my thought process at the beginning of the Day:

My role n1 was a rolecop mishearer. I didn't have any major scumpings except for Margot, so decided to go for a hunch instead and investigated tris. My result told me she was a 4 NATO dollar. Before I even saw the VC I looked at the ideas thread and found a TOWN Tornado Caller. As I was posting, koba said something about being a mod lie detector (which is what I got for D2), which I also looked up and the only role that exists is a TOWN mod lie detector. Looking at the tornado caller, it says that the alignment stays the same. For some reason, my first thought was that meant that whatever the role was - since it was town and I got it, that cleared both of them (since both roles were town) and me, since it stayed the same.

I then reread the tornado caller, and realized that it meant that the player's alignment stayed the same, not the role. Therefore, since both roles were town I figured I could clear both of them, but realized that didn't actually clear me since if I was maf to begin with, the tornado wouldn't change that.

Then, I looked up my role, saw it was only goon in the idea thread, reread the rules and saw that Sky neutral-ed all the roles, and my theory on clearing anyone based on that went out the window. Now, tris is cleared based on mason, and I still believe koba to be town, but not purely based on role anymore.

[shaddowez]

So at this point PoE leads me to believe it's in Margot/HPE/Black, with Koba a far outlier. Black I'm not getting scum vibes from, her play is very similar here to a
recent town game I had with her.

My Margot read is based largely on Roden's early play, and her early replace in didn't give me town vibes, but her end of Day play did.

That really leaves me only with HPE, so I'll go 1v1 there. I know I'm town and don't want to be limmed toDay, but if that leads to a win tomorrow I'm fine with it.

Still don't like FF play, but since tris didn't cc the mason claim that clears both of them.

Wasn't really expecting this to be the reads list I owe Flare when I started it, but it ended up being that.

I don't like your play either.

- A

And that's completely fair. The question is more of do you

actually

think it's scummy play, or do you just not like the fact that I don't post enough? Honestly, my problem with your slot was more your other half and the way they were reacting and twisting posts. The more recent posts seem to be more solving than reacting, which is more towny than at first.

[shaddowez]

I still think it could be Koba tbh

HPE -> shaddow -> Koba probably wins us the game. I don't think it's Margot

I'm good with this. I'm happy to 1v1 HPE and just let the group decide which one of us gets limmed today or tomorrow

[Flare Fluff]

So at this point PoE leads me to believe it's in Margot/HPE/Black, with Koba a far outlier. Black I'm not getting scum vibes from, her play is very similar here to a
recent town game I had with her.

My Margot read is based largely on Roden's early play, and her early replace in didn't give me town vibes, but her end of Day play did.

That really leaves me only with HPE, so I'll go 1v1 there. I know I'm town and don't want to be limmed toDay, but if that leads to a win tomorrow I'm fine with it.

Still don't like FF play, but since tris didn't cc the mason claim that clears both of them.

Wasn't really expecting this to be the reads list I owe Flare when I started it, but it ended up being that.

I don't like your play either.

- A

And that's completely fair. The question is more of do you

actually

think it's scummy play, or do you just not like the fact that I don't post enough? Honestly, my problem with your slot was more your other half and the way they were reacting and twisting posts. The more recent posts seem to be more solving than reacting, which is more towny than at first.

I don't find your play scummy. I just don't like how you are not posting enough. I had the urge to attempt to interact with you to get some more content from you.

- A

[shaddowez]

[float][/float]Posts where HPE mentions me (snipped at either end, but all of these are consecutive with none skipped):

758 - I'm top of its readslist for town.
763 - 758 is quoted so nothing new, but keeping it for completeness
1089 - Comments on a previous one of its posts about scum being on me or Ausuka and was at least partially right (but no suspicion or comment)
1149 - It's me or Black.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also, since I'm at a computer for the first time since posting my beginning of Day stuff, here's the full rundown of my thought process at the beginning of the Day:

My role n1 was a rolecop mishearer. I didn't have any major scumpings except for Margot, so decided to go for a hunch instead and investigated tris. My result told me she was a 4 NATO dollar. Before I even saw the VC I looked at the ideas thread and found a TOWN Tornado Caller. As I was posting, koba said something about being a mod lie detector (which is what I got for D2), which I also looked up and the only role that exists is a TOWN mod lie detector. Looking at the tornado caller, it says that the alignment stays the same. For some reason, my first thought was that meant that whatever the role was - since it was town and I got it, that cleared both of them (since both roles were town) and me, since it stayed the same.

I then reread the tornado caller, and realized that it meant that the player's alignment stayed the same, not the role. Therefore, since both roles were town I figured I could clear both of them, but realized that didn't actually clear me since if I was maf to begin with, the tornado wouldn't change that.

Then, I looked up my role, saw it was only goon in the idea thread, reread the rules and saw that Sky neutral-ed all the roles, and my theory on clearing anyone based on that went out the window. Now, tris is cleared based on mason, and I still believe koba to be town, but not purely based on role anymore.

The big thing then is determining if the tornado only swaps roles around for town (or atleast, the same alignment? Like only town could get that rolecop mishearer card.)

[shaddowez]

I don't find your play scummy. I just don't like how you are not posting enough. I had the urge to attempt to interact with you to get some more content from you.

I should be around for the next several hours, and am happy to discuss things. I have two very active kids, and generally try to stay off electronics when I'm with them, so I only generally post during work, which also means I can only post when I'm not actively working.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE what does your readslist look like atm

shaddowez

DkKoba

Ausuka

tris
Black

Two Level 1 Rogues

Flare Fluff

MargotRosa

Rogues could probably go to nullville all things considered but this is otherwise how things stand for me.

Can you explain your progression on shaddow here from being town lock on day 1 to instantly being your first vote candidate on day 2? On day 2 you said you would vote in either shaddow or Black and why did you choose to want to vote shaddow over Black who you has as a null read?

- A

This one has already explained the correlation between shaddowez and Rogues.

Can you show me the post where you explained so that I can see it.

- A

theres an iso function you know.

1170 and 1171

[shaddowez]

The big thing then is determining if the tornado only swaps roles around for town (or atleast, the same alignment? Like only town could get that rolecop mishearer card.)

I do not believe it does, that was my initial misunderstanding of the role though

[HighPrincessErinys]

The big thing then is determining if the tornado only swaps roles around for town (or atleast, the same alignment? Like only town could get that rolecop mishearer card.)

I do not believe it does, that was my initial misunderstanding of the role though

If by some miracle it DOES, then we're both clear because this one got your rolecop mishearer card today lmao.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's unlikely though because then you can just clear the game immediately on D2, it feels like.

[HighPrincessErinys]

God of Madness

Town aligned. Each night, may target two players. Their roles, but not alignments, are swapped. If a role swapped is incompatible with the new alignment it has, make the minimum amount of changes needed to make it work.

Inspired by a game on my homesite with this mechanic.

if this is the role that caused me to lose my role, then get rekt whoever swapped with me

skygazer said it was tornado! my tornado

Do you know if your tornado swapped roles only for slots of the same alignment?