Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Black]

VOTE: Black

VOTE: Dannflor

Nah I hate that post from Drew

Literally why wait until I unvote Dann to start a flash wagon on Dann?

Flash wagon? Nah I just thought it felt off so I voted there in the moment

I want neither though

VOTE: Black

Yeah I can in an hour or two

Thoughts on Ganski?

I’m ready to thunderdome Black

This progression is scummy. Jackson is trying to get Dann and LG counter wagons going despite supposedly having enough confidence in scum!me that he's willing to thunderdome me. It feels like a second-hand flailing type of reaction to python getting run up. I think town!Jackson would probably just stay on me here. It feels like fake confidence

[Black]

HEM feels infinitely more townie than Cook did although some of this read may be influenced by agreeing with him on Jackson

[Naerys]

I think dann was killed bcz his reads were dangerous to scum so we should stick to his solve

[humaneatingmonkey]

I would assume that python calculated who all would vote for me just like they did with gob

I'm not really sure who all even scumread me enough to vote for me but they were able to get Dave, Ranger, and StD on board. gob, Dann, and LG townread me at the time. I don't think Naerys was? Maybe python was hoping to get her specifically to switch off of them. With her, T-Bone, and Drew they might have had the numbers

In this situation where Python and JV are both scum - why couldn't they have just pushed town!gob instead? With the 6 people Python listed, it would have been seven if JV hopped on board with a "meh, we needed an elim". Scum!JV didn't have to declare that they were voting gob over Python in #837 (unless it would have been suspicious because JV had townread gob before that statement).

Was there something happening at the time that made it look like gob wasn't happening (meaning the 6 people Python listed would not have followed-through with eliminating Gob)?

[Black]

I would assume that python calculated who all would vote for me just like they did with gob

I'm not really sure who all even scumread me enough to vote for me but they were able to get Dave, Ranger, and StD on board. gob, Dann, and LG townread me at the time. I don't think Naerys was? Maybe python was hoping to get her specifically to switch off of them. With her, T-Bone, and Drew they might have had the numbers

In this situation where Python and JV are both scum - why couldn't they have just pushed town!gob instead? With the 6 people Python listed, it would have been seven if JV hopped on board with a "meh, we needed an elim". Scum!JV didn't have to declare that they were voting gob over Python in #837 (unless it would have been suspicious because JV had townread gob before that statement).

Was there something happening at the time that made it look like gob wasn't happening (meaning the 6 people Python listed would not have followed-through with eliminating Gob)?

Hmm. That's a good point. I was barely around at the time so I don't have a good feel for the flow of the game around then. I don't think JV voting gob would look that suspicious if they had framed it as a consolidation vote to prevent a no lim

This would probably imply either scum!gob or town!JV. Unless they thought the path to fading me would be easier for some reason

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well, yeah. Gob was a strong townread for JV. I can see how it could have been plausible that they got cold-feet on going Gob because JV had a public townread on Gob and suddenly switching stances would have revealed their partnership. Could be that they thought Black was a better alternative. I can definitely see it.

How much will is there for a Black wagon? Python/JV/Ranger, who else?

T-Bone (Black in scumlean)
STD (Black is a gob voter)

that's 5

open letter to light/dave/drew to join us on the Black wagon since the alternative is a Python lim

This is the plan, I guess.

[Black]

VC 1.16

Votecount 1.16

usesPython (4):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey

gob (3):

light_ganski, Black, Ranger

Black (3):

JacksonVirgo, usesPython, davesaz

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Dannflor (1):

Doctor Drew

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

I'm having a hard time believing all 3 scum started my wagon. So one of JV/Dave is probably town

[humaneatingmonkey]

Spoiler: Gob is town from JV

It honestly boggles my mind how im even being wagoned lol, or anyones biggest scumread

If those people are scum psotgame i guess that makes sense

I haven't got the context of the game but this feels like it comes from Town more than wolves

If those people are scum psotgame i guess that makes sense

Read this again, don't like this part in particular but the first part is townie

I'm just gonna blast through it, I don't have time to be slow and in depth. I can clarify after the fact it people want it.

30 Black feels overly stiff.
90 getting pinged by what I would consider aNAI post? @Black if you remember this far back, can you place what pinged you here. You're also referring to Naerys but you're referencing a post by STD?

Ah you clarified that, makes more sense. I don't have thoughts either way about this now

95 gob being a pro gamer. If Ganski is a wolf, I really think Gob is Town. This also makes me feel better about my read but I'll try not to conf bias myself into a hole. Them following up on the read in 103 is also a really good sign to me.

106 Black immediately voting, I hope there's good reasoning for that because it looks kinda wack. The reasoning they gave in 123 was lacklustre. It feels like a chainsaw, if that's the right term. Unsure. Although their "more votes on gob please" feels pure (132). The read itself doesn't feel pure though, it feels greatly exaggerated for what it is to try and push them.

At this point in the catchup (as of 155). It'd be pretty hilarious but GTH the solve is Black, Ganski, Dannflor.

Ganski jumping onto Gob in 188 also is like not unexpected given my head canon. Ranger having Black/Dannflor in the scum-reads in 191 is a fun one, makes me feel nice.

Holy shit they're just spamming tierlists.

Black back on the "yo les do gob, lesduit". That's like majority of their posts it seems like at this point (270). Like literally every post of theirs up to 318 seems to have a gob push in it more likely than not.

Black asked why Gob town-reads her, he anwers and I don't see Black responding to Gob. Will post another thing if this was found later but this is just as bad if she didn't respond back. Cuz that would mean it was likely asked in a way to try and trap Gob even further but couldn't see much to work with. A few pages past and haven't seen it, if I missed it please point it out to me.

I aint reading that wallpost by Dann in 398

625 T-Bone "Yes but the tone of that question is meh" in regards to Dannflor I completely agree with. It felt antagonistic.


Spewed this out as fast as I could. Enjoy

I want either Black or Ganski. Either or I don't really care.
Python is a pretty lacklustre wagon.
Gob is Town
T-bone probably Town

I think Scum!JV, after suspecting Black who opposes Gob and discussing Gob's defense with Doctor Drew, would likely hesitate to join a counterwagon against town!gob.

[Naerys]

VC 1.16

Votecount 1.16

usesPython (4):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey

gob (3):

light_ganski, Black, Ranger

Black (3):

JacksonVirgo, usesPython, davesaz

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Dannflor (1):

Doctor Drew

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

I'm having a hard time believing all 3 scum started my wagon. So one of JV/Dave is probably town

Light black dave drew may contain both scum

[Black]

Maybe JV's gob read really threw a wrench in their plan so they had to pivot to me. All they needed was LG or Naerys to vote with them. Drew likely would have

I think this means Naerys can't be scum because she could have easily joined my wagon to save python

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can I axiomatically assume Black is town if Python's final swan song is a counterwagon against her?

[Naerys]

Can I axiomatically assume Black is town if Python's final swan song is a counterwagon against her?

Hmm i think its correct

[humaneatingmonkey]

What if Python tried to swing the vote to a buddy who they knew wouldn't have enough support to lim? Or for the distancing value?

I keep thinking about this. And if Python did try to distance themselves from Black for that deepwolf 360 no-scope credit, then this is dangerous shit. Especially if Python really did think they were a goner.

[Black]

VC 1.16

Votecount 1.16

usesPython (4):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey

gob (3):

light_ganski, Black, Ranger

Black (3):

JacksonVirgo, usesPython, davesaz

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Dannflor (1):

Doctor Drew

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

I'm having a hard time believing all 3 scum started my wagon. So one of JV/Dave is probably town

Light black dave drew may contain both scum

Why am I in your solve if you are sheeping Dann? I was Dann's strongest townread

[Naerys]

Light dave drew should contain atleast one scum, hopefully both

[Naerys]

VC 1.16

Votecount 1.16

usesPython (4):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey

gob (3):

light_ganski, Black, Ranger

Black (3):

JacksonVirgo, usesPython, davesaz

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Dannflor (1):

Doctor Drew

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

I'm having a hard time believing all 3 scum started my wagon. So one of JV/Dave is probably town

Light black dave drew may contain both scum

Why am I in your solve if you are sheeping Dann? I was Dann's strongest townread

Bcz i am bad at reading you and i am afraid of you

[Black]

What if Python tried to swing the vote to a buddy who they knew wouldn't have enough support to lim? Or for the distancing value?

I keep thinking about this. And if Python did try to distance themselves from Black for that deepwolf 360 no-scope credit, then this is dangerous shit. Especially if Python really did think they were a goner.

It should be a possibility fypov. I'm not conftown

[Black]

VC 1.16

Votecount 1.16

usesPython (4):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey

gob (3):

light_ganski, Black, Ranger

Black (3):

JacksonVirgo, usesPython, davesaz

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Dannflor (1):

Doctor Drew

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

I'm having a hard time believing all 3 scum started my wagon. So one of JV/Dave is probably town

Light black dave drew may contain both scum

Why am I in your solve if you are sheeping Dann? I was Dann's strongest townread

Bcz i am bad at reading you and i am afraid of you

Fair

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'll look into gob's slot in my next deep session. I need to work lel.

[T-Bone]

Tinfoil hat:

If gob is town, then Python must really thought deepdown that he's telling the truth in #836 - as he could have done things differently if he thought he had the chance of pushing for a gob elimination.

Python's list of people who would go for Gob
- light/Black/Ranger/Python/Drew/Dave

Python's list of people who wouldn't vote for Gob
- gob/Naerys/Dann/HEM/STD/T-Bone/JV

Then everyone in the list of people who wouldn't vote for Gob is just town, and Python slipped.

Counterpoint. Is this not a surface level factual state of the game? Seems like everyone voiced an opinion of where they would go for gob or not.

(Counter to my counter, six votes is essentially 7 because someone will hammer so why not try?)

[T-Bone]

But if there's a tiny glimmer that gob could have been the elimination (AND NOT HIM), then i think they should have played that hand. It means the hand wasn't available to be played.

That's a very good point, I need to think on that. Top of the dome theory is that possibly his support line and the people that were pro-gob may not have been the same people, I need to check this because I'm just throwing ideas at the wall but that is where my gut first tells me to look.

Hahaha exactly the thoughts I had.

[T-Bone]

Well, I'm never thrilled to be gaslit in front of my fucking face. But I can cope.

Oh finally real emotion instead of these closed off responses you have been giving lol.

I have been saying quite a bit here I think you are trying for a push on gob.

I have been in the minority saying that gob isn't obvtown, and think he is scummy.

But your push here, and yes it is a push, makes me question what your intentions are here.

Like it seems you saw there was support for a gob lim in that python post, and latched onto it.

This is actually weird. Should we not look at what Python was doing for associations?

[gob]

whats goin on peopl

[T-Bone]

VOTE: black

Intent to hammer, I am hovering around this thread. (Yes I know no one is at e-1 yet)

StD's vote tied our wagons at 5 votes each and that's when T-Bone declares intent. It almost feels like the intent was made on me even though python and I were both at 5

Looking back on this I don't know why scum!StD would move back to python after this when my fade was absolutely possible. If there is scum on the wagon then it's probably dave

Come get me!

[T-Bone]

I think dann was killed bcz his reads were dangerous to scum so we should stick to his solve

Or that he soft claimed mason