Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[Alianna]

VC 2.04

Votecount 2.04

JacksonVirgo (2):

humaneatingmonkey, Black

Ranger (2):

gob, Naerys

light_ganski (1):

JacksonVirgo

Naerys (1):

Ranger

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Not Voting (4):

light_ganski, T-Bone, Doctor Drew, davesaz

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-03 17:33:14).

Mod notes:

• Replacing light_ganski
  
• Combined mod ISO

[Ranger]

Yes rl happens and stuff, but don't keep teasing it and not showing your work.

Don't ask me to show my work at work, that's doxxing. :P

[Save The Dragons]

I'm really having trouble believing you truly believe all the subtext you are hamfisting into everyone's posts

[humaneatingmonkey]

When I see things worth engaging, sure!

No, the point is I'm engaging with your content even though I wouldn't normally. So do the same with me, even if you think mine isn't worth engaging (which sucks and hurtful to hear but okay).

[Ranger]

Ranger they all pushed each other all day

I've demonstrated they didn't. Notice the falloff of Naerys posts later? Notice how usesPython didn't push Naerys outside of the beginning of the game? Naerys

voted

usesPython. Did she give a single reason past the RVS? It was weak the entire time. I thought Naerys was pushing usesPython to throw off them being together and aligned. I still do, I just know it's not as masons now.

[Ranger]

I'm really having trouble believing you truly believe all the subtext you are hamfisting into everyone's posts

Well that's certainly not an issue on my end. Perhaps you can try thinking like me rather than you?

I'm a player who thrives on subtext. I see it where it isn't, apparently; I still saw it regardless.

[T-Bone]

Did you cross reference with Dann's reads?

[Save The Dragons]

Ranger they all pushed each other all day

I've demonstrated they didn't. Notice the falloff of Naerys posts later? Notice how usesPython didn't push Naerys outside of the beginning of the game? Naerys

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usesPython. Did she give a single reason past the RVS? It was weak the entire time. I thought Naerys was pushing usesPython to throw off them being together and aligned. I still do, I just know it's not as masons now.

Isn't one of your arguments that you believed Dann and python were masons

Did you see how they went after each other

[Save The Dragons]

I'm really having trouble believing you truly believe all the subtext you are hamfisting into everyone's posts

Well that's certainly not an issue on my end. Perhaps you can try thinking like me rather than you?

I'm a player who thrives on subtext. I see it where it isn't, apparently; I still saw it regardless.

I'm sorry but no this is not correct.

[Ranger]

So do the same with me, even if you think mine isn't worth engaging (which sucks and hurtful to hear but okay).

My apologies. I didn't intend it that way. I put in the minimal amount of effort I feel is needed. If I think someone is making posts which my engagement won't further the gamestate in a productive way, I won't engage them. For instance, I understand you've made points about gob being scum, among others. I believe your perspective, and I see the flaws in your points, so I certainly could help convince you why you're on the wrong track.

The reason I haven't is because there's not a need today. I'm not getting killed, nor limmed. Neither will gob be. That means your pursuit of that route today is fruitless. It doesn't mean your content isn't worth engaging in general. It means it doesn't further the game to engage

today

.

If I have more free time, I may do so.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay. You missed my point entirely if that's your general impression. Which I'm afraid of, that's why I'm reaching out to players like you who I think are overlooking what I'm really trying to point out. Please do so at your earliest convenience.

[Ranger]

Did you cross reference with Dann's reads?

As I saw it, there were two possible mason combos.

Some combination of usesPython, Naerys, and Ausuka (possibly with another substituted out),
Or Dannflor with his pals.

Dannflor would never be masons with any of usesPython, Naerys, or Ausuka.

If that was unclear, I apologize. Dannflor being a mason was mutually exclusive with the others being masons. I thought they were masons and Dannflor wasn't. I was willing to acknowledge I could be wrong. I could've been wrong with Dannflor as a VT despite me spotting mason signals. I could've been wrong and Dannflor was a mason meaning none of those I believed were masons would be.

Does that clarify?

Dannflor pushing usesPython meant nothing to me because as I saw it they were already effectively a 1v1 in terms of mason claim v mason claim in subtext. Same vice-versa. I believed usesPython over Dannflor.

[Ranger]

Isn't one of your arguments that you believed Dann and python were masons

How did you misread my post that badly? (Not an accusation, a genuine need to get clarity.)

I apparently need to clarify because that's the exact opposite of what I said.

I said Dannflor signaled being mason.
I said usesPython signaled being mason.
I said Dannflor and usesPython were mutually exclusive.

I said usesPython and Naerys signaled together.
I said usesPython and Naerys weren't mutually exclusive.

Where's the confusion forming on your end?

[T-Bone]

Did you cross reference with Dann's reads?

As I saw it, there were two possible mason combos.

Some combination of usesPython, Naerys, and Ausuka (possibly with another substituted out),
Or Dannflor with his pals.

Dannflor would never be masons with any of usesPython, Naerys, or Ausuka.

If that was unclear, I apologize. Dannflor being a mason was mutually exclusive with the others being masons. I thought they were masons and Dannflor wasn't. I was willing to acknowledge I could be wrong. I could've been wrong with Dannflor as a VT despite me spotting mason signals. I could've been wrong and Dannflor was a mason meaning none of those I believed were masons would be.

Does that clarify?

Dannflor pushing usesPython meant nothing to me because as I saw it they were already effectively a 1v1 in terms of mason claim v mason claim in subtext. Same vice-versa. I believed usesPython over Dannflor.

It's clear to me, I was trying to avoid the po-po patrol because they didn't like when I asked the first time.

[Ranger]

I'm sorry but no this is not correct.

Given I'm the one thinking my thoughts, I like my odds of being correct.

I saw subtext. I pointed it out.

usesPython gave mason subtext, particularly with Naerys and Ausuka(JacksonVirgo).

Dannflor gave mason subtext.

They were mutually exclusive.

I believed usesPython and Naerys over Dannflor.

Thus my top-tier townread on usesPython and Naerys (masons together),
And my bottom-tier scumread on Dannflor (who I thought was scum pretending to be a mason).

Regardless of whether you agree the subtext was there, I saw it and there's evidence I did from my engagements with the slots in question.

[Naerys]

Once i finish in my work i will tell you how much crap you just threw at me
You are either really misguided town or scum

[davesaz]

no okay if im wrong i still think this is largely a town driven wagon
but I'd scrutinize naerys pretty closely and I'd reevaluate on black probably
still think light_ganski is scummy either way

This I agree with 100%.

The reason why I had Python and Naerys as my top tier townreads yesterday was I saw their early interactions on the first pages as mason distancing. I thought Ausuka was the third Mason similarly so.

Having thought I identified the masons, when I saw Dannflor with a few others doing identically to Python and Naerys, I thought he was scum, because I already had found the masons.

Now I think I got it exactly backwards. I'll have the receipts later.

I think I know who Dann's partners might be but I'm not sure whether that is worth speculating out in the open.

What kind of amateur hour is this?

Apparently the kind where you think it's ok to promote discussing mason solves.

It might be worth going back and seeing which player I was talking to in light of a recent post by said player.

You're probably reading me wrong.
I'm stating firmly that it's never ok to discuss mason solves.
Your post

should

have said "it's not worth speculating in the open". Or just don't mention thinking you know at all.
Then there would be no reason for me or others to comment.

[Alianna]

JacksonVirgo is being prodded.

[T-Bone]

no okay if im wrong i still think this is largely a town driven wagon
but I'd scrutinize naerys pretty closely and I'd reevaluate on black probably
still think light_ganski is scummy either way

This I agree with 100%.

The reason why I had Python and Naerys as my top tier townreads yesterday was I saw their early interactions on the first pages as mason distancing. I thought Ausuka was the third Mason similarly so.

Having thought I identified the masons, when I saw Dannflor with a few others doing identically to Python and Naerys, I thought he was scum, because I already had found the masons.

Now I think I got it exactly backwards. I'll have the receipts later.

I think I know who Dann's partners might be but I'm not sure whether that is worth speculating out in the open.

What kind of amateur hour is this?

Apparently the kind where you think it's ok to promote discussing mason solves.

It might be worth going back and seeing which player I was talking to in light of a recent post by said player.

You're probably reading me wrong.
I'm stating firmly that it's never ok to discuss mason solves.
Your post

should

have said "it's not worth speculating in the open". Or just don't mention thinking you know at all.
Then there would be no reason for me or others to comment.

This rings hollow because I was not the first player to bring this up. I don't remember you getting mad about Ranger or Dann actually talking about masons. No, I ask Ranger a question (because I knew where she was going) and you and Black must immediately stand up firmly against the evil mason hunt that I am performing for my lords the scum team. This is what we call inconsistency in the biz.

[gob]

hit em with the dumb two three

[DragonEater70]

Enchant replaces light_ganski.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Enchant
Hello!
Your welcome gift is a vote.

[gob]

VOTE: Enchant
Hello!
Your welcome gift is a vote.

Light Ganaksi seemed fine to me. Enchant is fairly obvious as scum, in ny personal opinion, so i think its fine to let Echant live today.

Ranger you seem kinda unconcerned about the wagon against you. Just trying to continue to hunt and pressure. It reminds me a lot of how Python responded to pushes.

[gob]

zero hour crisis in dimes

[T-Bone]

Typical Enchant replacing into a scum slot.