Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Firebringer]

Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

i dont think the naerys-dave interaction clears dave as much as you think it does

Tell me more.

[yessiree]

Defending DE as town this game wasn’t on my bingo card but VOTE: Titus

I buy that he’s just town here.

Hmm... yea RCE doesnt really look good here. It feels like he just needed an excuse to buss partner.
VOTE: RCE

Completing my review of RCE votes, and full disclosure I decided to do this one in reverse ISO so

I'm recording my thought and then checking it

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I'm a little suspicious that it's possible Naerys wanted to join the wagon but didn't have a pre-existing reason so dug up this post to give one.
It's possible she was just going along with prevailing discussion and I'd need to look at the discussion before this to see if that's the case.

Lunch has arrived. I shall eat before continuing.

I stand by my opinion that Dragon´s push was an attempt to distract from Titus wagon.

This indicates it could be a dynamic thought.

This indicates it could be a dynamic thought.

A what?

Dynamic in the sense that you were thinking it in the moment.
It means that you already had a different reason to look at the post that you quoted, so it wasn't just to find a reason to vote RCE.

like here when dave was looking like he was on the cusp of nailing naerys!scum but nothing ever came of it

[Firebringer]

Dave,

I am going to apologize for my last few posts. I am taking my anger out on you when I got triggered from rereading naerys iso.

I should not take this out on you for my issues with her. In fact very innappropriate.

I don't believe your solving/effort here is good, and I dislike your arguments to your defense because its similar defense Naerys used when arguing why she was okay with letting Titus live. If you odn't see how those similarities cause issues with other players who are looking at u.

[Firebringer]

like here when dave was looking like he was on the cusp of nailing naerys!scum but nothing ever came of it

Thats very interesting how that happened. Kind of weird.

What about the reverse on how Naerys treated Dave though?

[yessiree]

like here when dave was looking like he was on the cusp of nailing naerys!scum but nothing ever came of it

Thats very interesting how that happened. Kind of weird.

What about the reverse on how Naerys treated Dave though?

i wanted to clear dave based off of that but like i said before i underestimated naerys this game, so imo naerys going off on her buddy is not out of the realm of possibilities

but i can give that another look later

[Firebringer]

Spoiler: All posts about dave

Okay, for today there are main three suspects: yessiree, myself, davesaz
As for myself, i am town. Whenever you feel some concer about me, feel free to throw it at me. I will answer them as best as i can, even if i sometimes yell my frustration out.

yessiree

- Well he is hard to read for me, played only one game with him, where he was alien. And i have to admit that i basically spent whole game following Flavor without paying much attention, so its quite hard for me to compare yessiree in that game with him here. I will be frank, i dont like his levity. Is he always like this? That faked hammer is giving me bad vibes.
@yessiree Who are your solid town reads and whom do you SR?

davesaz

- I am getting town vibes from dave. He is sorting people and their actions. I personally like his inputs, he is observant and calm. I dont see any manipulations or hidden agenda going on there. I need to look at why FB is voting him, beceause i dont see this dave to be scummy at all.
Dave, who is the most towny person for you?

Out of these 2, yessiree looks worse.

I think the counterwagons deserve way more scrutiny than trying to call giving someone time for RL derailing a wagon and then bussing when time was up.

Using the fact, that i respect RL stuff and wanted to give her more time IS NOT FAIR AND U ARE KINDLY PISSING ME OFF WITH THIS.

Defending DE as town this game wasn’t on my bingo card but VOTE: Titus

I buy that he’s just town here.

Hmm... yea RCE doesnt really look good here. It feels like he just needed an excuse to buss partner.
VOTE: RCE

Completing my review of RCE votes, and full disclosure I decided to do this one in reverse ISO so

I'm recording my thought and then checking it

.
I'm a little suspicious that it's possible Naerys wanted to join the wagon but didn't have a pre-existing reason so dug up this post to give one.
It's possible she was just going along with prevailing discussion and I'd need to look at the discussion before this to see if that's the case.

Lunch has arrived. I shall eat before continuing.

Or perhaps i simply wanted to show what i think is scummy on RCE?

You're next if I don't see a vote.

VOTE: davesaz

VOTE: furtiveglance

Could you explain why?

Taking a closer look, I'm less sure of Naerys resembling prior games.

How so?

Naerys seems the same as she does as town, but I don't think I have seen a scum game

bcz i have none

Hi dave

The only thing slightly weird here is the townread on dave at the end which to me is like...the weirdest thing about this iso. It seems like if dave was town this would have been easier push for her to make and just call scum. Hell was voting dave earlier for nothing.

The constant communications here feels like its just interacting with town is what my gut says.

[davesaz]

My issue with that is that my position on RL is very well known to be NAI. I expect that to be subtracted when people who know me read me. Constantly bringing it up is very triggering.

[Firebringer]

subbed into enchant, and they've apparently they've done 0 solving? yeah thats a yikes lmao

enchant is so town lol

[usesPython]

i went back through Naerys iso to see if i can find any info

for one I think it clears Bingle, might have been said before.

But theres a lack of interactions with two people in particular i will iso at some point
Python and Yessiree.

It seems to me that naerys was directly engaging with town throughout her iso, either calling people scummy who were town, or trying to buddy town. Theres actually a huge lack of interactions to scum buddies.

If we just focus on slots she didn't talk to we are more likely to get her two partners me thinks.

Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

UNVOTE:

read through on python and yessiree tomorrow.

Why would she be interacting with us we literally locktowned her already, like there's no scumread on her she needed to head off and buddying more than a locktown already doesn't matter

[Firebringer]

Why would she be interacting with us we literally locktowned her already, like there's no scumread on her she needed to head off and buddying more than a locktown already doesn't matter

r u telling me u don't talk to people who have u as lock town when ur scum or something

[davesaz]

I don't feel like quoting Bellas entire iso and proving she did nothing useful.

[Firebringer]

even if i were to accept ur premise that bella hasn't been useful.
ur now going to have to explain how being not useful = scum.

Because I am fairly certain a zebra friend of mine hasn't be useful almost at all this game. And I am fairly confident that zebra friend is town.

[usesPython]

Why would she be interacting with us we literally locktowned her already, like there's no scumread on her she needed to head off and buddying more than a locktown already doesn't matter

r u telling me u don't talk to people who have u as lock town when ur scum or something

We talk to everyone as scum but that's cause we're good at the game

[Firebringer]

We talk to everyone as scum but that's cause we're good at the game

Okay but I am talking in generals here.
Ur saying that scum have no reason to talk to people who townread them just seems like a weird position. Thats easiest way to blend into the game is just discuss the game with the people already townreading u. Is it not?

[usesPython]

but like from lazy scum perspective you're not gonna put in effort to 1984 someone when they're already locked into the position you want them to be in

[Firebringer]

thats fair

[Firebringer]

Python vs Gamma looks interesting. Is scum hiding in there?

Gamma is my N0 inno

Would this be weird of distancing from Python by two teammates this early

[Firebringer]

one scum buddy says ohh there could be scum in X/Y
Then other says well Y is town. Which is true.

Its like....kind of weird to do

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

[usesPython]

I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This might be why kyouko hypo'd a gamma inno

[Firebringer]

all of flipped scum interactions with gob look clearing to me.
Titus/Python looks like it could be a clear on Python, I am not sure. It seems like a fight on town, but it feels a bit forced

[usesPython]

Black/kyouko fight from posts ~500-700 make Black pretty townie, it's got that element of edge that tends to be missing from scum!Black reacting to a perceived shitpush

[usesPython]

oh god is the game starting up again?

[usesPython]

I don't think I want Drew or Enchant dead this game ever

[Enchant]

I think i should reconsider my town list.