JOAT uPick | FIN!

[Firebringer]

"if he flips town. I will townread him" ~paraphrasing beeboy

[Bell]

Well of course it's easier for them just to see a flip.
But it's against my win condition to just roll over and let them fuck up.
Only I am allowed to fuck up and misread people.

To be fair, I mean Pooky is either scum here or they claimed that I was an easy sort and proceeded to fail miserably at that.
And that deserves awkward silence and pretending to be a tree stump, silently judging them, but not saying a word.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

Lemon is a threat to the union

[Relativistic Harmony]

that being said, the only non-mech way I'll not SR Bell is for Bell to provide a lead rist

not a read list, a lead rist

LTO's fourth point in the case is very concerning and based on that case alone I don't think Bell has a town mindset

pedit: flips are mech

ppedit: again, flips are mech

but if you're anti-town regardless of alignment a flip won't be worth much

-TL

[Bell]

I really don't think I'm a good lim here though.
I know it's convenient and all for my last ability to be a 1-shot novice alibi guy, since I'm basically a more powerful one shot cop that conveniently gets to live one more day.

But here we are.

[Firebringer]

ot a read list, a lead rist

tell me more about this lead rist

[Firebringer]

I really don't think I'm a good lim here though.
I know it's convenient and all for my last ability to be a 1-shot novice alibi guy, since I'm basically a more powerful one shot cop that conveniently gets to live one more day.

But here we are.

bell why do u continue talking about ur role like anyone cares.
we are all power roles

[Hu Tao]

I really don't think I'm a good lim here though.
I know it's convenient and all for my last ability to be a 1-shot novice alibi guy, since I'm basically a more powerful one shot cop that conveniently gets to live one more day.

But here we are.

bell why do u continue talking about ur role like anyone cares.
we are all power roles

It's a way of deflecting imo. I was waiting for someone to bring this up

[Bell]

..Because it matters because I like to win games of mafia and being able to to use investigative abilities reveals alignment information that I can then share with the rest of the town to narrow down the possibilities.

[Relativistic Harmony]

ot a read list, a lead rist

tell me more about this lead rist

a lead rist in this context is when you order every alive player (other than you) from most town to most scum

653 is an example of a lead rist

-TL

[Firebringer]

..Because it matters because I like to win games of mafia and being able to to use investigative abilities reveals alignment information that I can then share with the rest of the town to narrow down the possibilities.

It matters to u.
Consider ur audience for a minute dummy.

Everyone here has a power role, each one of us should have roles we sent to the mod that is closeish enough to what we asked. Ur role isn't going to be alignment indicative. Or it shouldn't be anyways for good game design. In fact the fact we all asked for our roles make them less indicative imo.

So u thinking u got some very important role is just cringe imo
No one cares and are only going to use it as a vector for calling u scummy lol

[Bell]

..Because it matters because I like to win games of mafia and being able to to use investigative abilities reveals alignment information that I can then share with the rest of the town to narrow down the possibilities.

It matters to u.
Consider ur audience for a minute dummy.

Everyone here has a power role, each one of us should have roles we sent to the mod that is closeish enough to what we asked. Ur role isn't going to be alignment indicative. Or it shouldn't be anyways for good game design. In fact the fact we all asked for our roles make them less indicative imo.

So u thinking u got some very important role is just cringe imo
No one cares and are only going to use it as a vector for calling u scummy lol

This is a put down that doesn't actually acknowledge my thinking. It says more about you than it does about me.

[Firebringer]

I am a big bully, very true.

[Bell]

I get that you think I'm being arrogant or whatever. But I'm not saying I'm special. I'm not even saying that my roles are alignment indicative. In fact, I never said that and said the opposite, I said that my roles are likely to be true, not that they're townie. I said that how I'm releasing those rules *was* done from an attempt to be protown and the other was because I'm stupid and used it to explain my perspective.

I think my last ability is *useful* not more useful, or better than other people's roles.

[Bell]

I am a big bully, very true.

Oh c'mon you know I don't think that. That doesn't even really fit with what you're saying. hell usually putting someone down for having a big head isn't associated with bullying but done from a modest place of care. Pride before the fall and so on and so forth.

[Bell]

It's awkward to watch someone get arrogant and then cry when they hurt themselves.
Some people think they deserve it, but I just feel bad for them. We all get excited, and get a big head sometimes.

[Firebringer]

what

[Bell]

eh, it's late and I've been defending myself in an unhealthy way for hours.
My head isn't screwed on right.

[Firebringer]

Get sleep

[Laplacian]

Comrades, I have reviewed the contrasting literature of Lady Terminally Online and Bell. I must first say that many of Lady's assumptions to be superfluous to the overall argument. A work of Newton need not recite the axioms of Euclid. Despite this, Bell feels the need to rebut the point about scum win-conditions, despite missing the parenthetical clarification and it being irrelevant.

Percentage of posts pertaining to emotion is a solid point. While pathos is essential for glorious revolution, it must come from a place of understanding the plight of all workers, not just mournfully repeating ones own state in the world.

I am unconvinced by the evolving claim and the straw man, but understand the perspective

However, the fourth point is the most powerful. Bell has cast a single vote, ever, in his 6th post. This vote has sat, unchanged, unmoving, unevolving, for 144 more posts of Bell's and pages upon pages of other posts! Despite the numerous cited instances of Bell decrying LTO's behavior. Another deflection.

LTO's thesis shows her to be incontrovertibly on the right side of history, seeking to root out the capitalist scum for the good of all humankind. I am not swayed by Bell's rebuttal. Should we, as one mind, move to exile Bell to the frozen gulags of Siberia, I will contribute my vote with a clear conscience.

[Firebringer]

Naah Bell town.

[Laplacian]

Should Comrade Bell be voted out as town, I shall mourn the loss of a noble revolutionary with sympathy. I too have known the pain of being scumread and wagoned day 1.

[Firebringer]

I would argue LTO case down on why its bad, but I think u highlighted the point already laplacian that most of it is arguing something is scummy that isn't scummy. There is only a few noteworthy things to argue against in it and I am too lazy and would probably just spend time going for the weak arguments instead of going for the 'good points'

[Maid Cafe]

There's a level of importance most people place on role or value because as you can tell people probably submitted "good" or "fun" roles (maybe both) so it's sort of a moot point.

Bell is simply saying that they used the information in a "pro town" way. Now, is that true? Eh, for debate and not one I care to engage on.

Let's talk about how Doctor Drew deserves pressure.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Relativistic Harmony]

Why Drew?
~rh