Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless you don't believe that

[Doctor Drew]

I mean tbf Drew, they explained it as consolidating more so than voting cuz they thought I would flip wolf. You should argue that part instead of the contradiction between the reads and the vote

I don't believe it

Just like I do believe Ranger is using her past plays as town as a 'totally can't be me, I have done this play as town before'.

Shame it is an open game, she can't pull out her fake claim as town gambit as well lol

[DragonEater70]

VC 2.09

Votecount 2.09

Enchant (6):

T-Bone, Save The Dragons, Naerys, Black, Ranger, JacksonVirgo

[HAMMER]

JacksonVirgo (1):

humaneatingmonkey

Naerys (1):

Enchant

Ranger (1):

Doctor Drew

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, gob

With 11 players alive, it took 6 votes to secure an elimination.

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

[DragonEater70]

Enchant has been eliminated! They were a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 2 starts and will end in (expired on 2024-02-04 01:49:43)

[DragonEater70]

gob has died! He was a

Town Mason

.

Day 3 starts and will end in (expired on 2024-02-08 01:56:06).

[DragonEater70]

VC 3.00

Votecount 3.00

Not Voting (9):

T-Bone, Doctor Drew, davesaz, humaneatingmonkey, Naerys, Black, Ranger, Save the Dragons, JacksonVirgo

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-02-08 01:56:12).

Mod notes:

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[humaneatingmonkey]

I was masons with gob and Dannflor.

Dann wanted JV. gob wanted T-Bone and JV. (I have no idea why he didn't push through yesterday).
gob thinks it can be anyone in the Enchant wagon (I agree).

[humaneatingmonkey]

If anyone wants to counterclaim, do it now or else it doesn't count. I can trade myself for another scum. If you're town, absolutely do not counterclaim.

[Doctor Drew]

I was masons with gob and Dannflor.

Dann wanted JV. gob wanted T-Bone and JV. (I have no idea why he didn't push through yesterday).
gob thinks it can be anyone in the Enchant wagon (I agree).

I buy it.

Was thinking Jackson could have been masons with Gob since they lock towned them.

But now just could have just been a pocket attempt

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dann doesn't think Ranger is scum. (I agree) But shouldn't live until ELo (I also agree)
Dann thinks JV should be looked at for their defense of Python. (and Ausuka as well)
Dann is suspicious of Naerys and Python as scum theater, but might just also be Naerys as town. (I'm either)
Also Dann wants T-Bone too, and thinks they're the one who has the most associative for Python. (I don't see eye to eye with gob and Dann on this.)

[humaneatingmonkey]

gob believes that the four scum are in the people who never voted Python (i disagree, but okay)

T-Bone
Doctor Drew
Ranger
JacksonVirgo

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I think this is correct

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dann believes for most of D1, scum had control of gamestate because all three masons were the top wagons (I agree)
But thinks the end of day was super telling and scum got out of control because it took the three of us to hardpush to make Python happen. (I agree)
Dann thinks all of Python's wagon was town (i don't agree and think it's dangerous to assume this)
Dann thinks people who would push Ranger D2 is probably scum (that would be STD, and i would agree that it's possible)

Dann ended N1 highlighting that JV should be eliminated. We have different reasons why, but I agree with this - especially since yesterday.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dann thinks Black is town-spewed, but gob thinks Black can be deep-wolf. (I'm either)

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, I was told by gob that I come off as too arrogant. Sorry if anybody felt that way about me. I can quite emotional and I don't handle frustration very well. I hope we can work together moving forward.

[humaneatingmonkey]

{Black, Naerys, Ranger}

{Doctor Drew, davesaz}

{T-Bone, Save the Dragons}

{JacksonVirgo}

[JacksonVirgo]

But now just could have just been a pocket attempt

Am I not allowed to just town-read someone strongly?

[Naerys]

{Black, Naerys, Ranger}

{Doctor Drew, davesaz}

{T-Bone, Save the Dragons}

{JacksonVirgo}

i SR dave more than T Bone or StD
but i agree with voting Virgo today

[Naerys]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[humaneatingmonkey]

while not trying to distract from JV's correct elimination today,

gob seems confident that T-Bone is scum and the big wind up yesterday was trying to bumrush a T-Bone counter-wagon before deadline. he got busy and didn't really attempt anything because he thought playing like that will earn him another day as a not-target. but i thought he was obviously Dann's partner from others pov.

T-bone was mostly an intuition, feely read for gob - so it's very hard to sheep and argue for his case. but one of his reasons is this:

I'm mobile so sorry for the successive posting. I'd put my reads as

The Dann tier (Light, Dave, Drew)
The Bone tier (JV, Black, Gob/Naerys)
The should be scum tier but probably isn't (STD, maybe also Naerys)
Everyone else (Ranger, HEM)

Updating this to make more sense

Town lean
Ranger
HEM
STD
Gob

Null Lean
Naerys
Black
Drew
Dave
JV

Scum Lean
Light

Ugh. Light fits the best with what I think I know, and with Python. I don't think JV/Dave are scum together, but one still could be. I don't think Black and Drew are together. Naerys is only barely in my null lean section tbh. I might move them up to town.

Let me start with the slot I think will flip scum though.

VOTE: Enchant

gob believes a townie doesnt say “null lean”, and that T-Bone's only one scumread (which is suspicious in itself, you should have multiple i guess) is a classic low hanging fruit - Enchant.

there gob. i tried my best.

[T-Bone]

If anyone wants to counterclaim, do it now or else it doesn't count. I can trade myself for another scum. If you're town, absolutely do not counterclaim.

Awww I was gonna counter claim but alright.

This helps me. I thought there was a chance Naerys was the other mason. I need to reevaluate some reads anyway.

[T-Bone]

gob believes a townie doesnt say “null lean”, and that T-Bone's only one scumread (which is suspicious in itself, you should have multiple i guess) is a classic low hanging fruit - Enchant.

there gob. i tried my best.

Sadly for gob a townie does say null lean, specifically me, all the time. It's my classification for players I am waffling on. As I pointed out, the reason I had waffled on Naerys is that I thought maybe Naerys was the 3rd mason (I had pegged gob as the second already). You can see evidence of this in the first list you quoted where I put gob/Naerys together in the Bone tier because I was suspicious one was a mason and one was scum but not sure which. Then I went back and decided Gob was definitely a mason, (and my next read list reflected that) and I couldn't shake the feeling on Naerys.

Usually I add another label to stratify my reads list more but this time I didn't.

For what it's worth I share my reads list for the benefit of the class. In my head my reads are more like a cloud of dust but I cannot depict that so easily in text.

[Black]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I agree we should have done this yesterday. I'm ok with T-Bone too

[T-Bone]

Aww I'm okay with you too

[DragonEater70]

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