Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[T-Bone]

Intent to put Jackson at e-1 if not hammer.

[T-Bone]

lol what an unfortunate page top.

[T-Bone]

Since I am explicitly comparing JV to STD, STD has been a lot more critical of me during this game. Granted, JV explicitly townread me on Day 1 so that's not a completely fair comparison, JV shouldn't have been critical of me on Day 1 if I was a townread. But I want to make that distinction because I am saying I think STD believes his read, because there is at least something behind STD's actions that I believe.

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, these are every post that you have made which indicates you have any suspicion of me. 4 out of 342 and three of them came today. None of them contain a reason. You mentioned ONCE yesterday that you needed to look into me more. We're still waiting. Your posts about me today are a vote, saying that I'm pocketing Ranger, and complaining that me saying your read unsubstantiated is a lie.

I'm not "pretending" your read on me is unsubstantiated. I'm bringing the receipts. By contrast you've called me town the first 18 times you mentioned me in your ISO.

Please respond to just this following question.

Where is the substance that I missed?

(I did not look for misspellings of my name so it's possible there is more but I doubt it)

Ah yes, none of those quotes contain a reason at all fr fr

You're saying that my previous reads and my post count has anything to do with my read now. I'm allowed to be wrong, and I'm allowed to not have static reads. You're contrasting things that makes zero sense to contrast.

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I am explicitly comparing JV to STD, STD has been a lot more critical of me during this game. Granted, JV explicitly townread me on Day 1 so that's not a completely fair comparison, JV shouldn't have been critical of me on Day 1 if I was a townread. But I want to make that distinction because I am saying I think STD believes his read, because there is at least something behind STD's actions that I believe.

I'm not STD, I am in a different position than STD. Just because we're acting differently doesn't mean that I am not believing my read. You just scum-read me, don't mix the two.

[JacksonVirgo]

JV shouldn't have been critical of me on Day 1 if I was a townread.

Can you elaborate on this

[Doctor Drew]

I still don't understand how Ranger is surviving

[T-Bone]

JV, these are every post that you have made which indicates you have any suspicion of me. 4 out of 342 and three of them came today. None of them contain a reason. You mentioned ONCE yesterday that you needed to look into me more. We're still waiting. Your posts about me today are a vote, saying that I'm pocketing Ranger, and complaining that me saying your read unsubstantiated is a lie.

I'm not "pretending" your read on me is unsubstantiated. I'm bringing the receipts. By contrast you've called me town the first 18 times you mentioned me in your ISO.

Please respond to just this following question.

Where is the substance that I missed?

(I did not look for misspellings of my name so it's possible there is more but I doubt it)

Ah yes, none of those quotes contain a reason at all fr fr

You're saying that my previous reads and my post count has anything to do with my read now. I'm allowed to be wrong, and I'm allowed to not have static reads. You're contrasting things that makes zero sense to contrast.

This is a misrepresentation of what I said. You said your scum-read on me has substance. What is the substance?

[JacksonVirgo]

I still don't understand how Ranger is surviving

I don’t think she’s a wolf, can you case her for me

[T-Bone]

JV shouldn't have been critical of me on Day 1 if I was a townread.

Can you elaborate on this

After you elaborate on the substance of your scum read please. I asked first.

[Doctor Drew]

I still don't understand how Ranger is surviving

I don’t think she’s a wolf, can you case her for me

I bought you a drink and this is how you repay me?

I have to show effort??

How about how Enchant was pushed when there was some heat brewing on her

[Ranger]

why are we town reading Black and StD again

Black is part Dannflor townread, part Black's part in the usesPython wagon, part usesPython spearheading a Black wagon at the end of day, and part general solving.

Save the Dragons, there's less good to be seen. I'll need to give him a good look.

[JacksonVirgo]

Bone, you’re the one misrepresenting me. You’re insinuating I am voting you just cuz I’m voting you. That isn’t the case, I had labelled you townie and then given the EoD I outlined the world where you’re a wolf would be if this flips green, giving loose reasoning as to why I believe that. Turned out to be true, and thus i think you’re more likely a wolf than not. I think your actions yesterday were pocketing Ranger explicitly. Given how you treated her felt unnaturally obtuse. And I brought that up. The reason I haven’t gone into too much depth is because I’m demotivated, I don’t wanna talk to the void and crave people respond back to me in a constructive manner because I don’t see that happening in this gamestate so I’ve been reluctant. I never said I full cased you or put effort in doing so because I didn’t, but you’re pretending it’s based on nothing and that I don’t believe it? That because I’m not overly vocal that I don’t believe what I say or that the though has absolutely zero thought or substance behind it. That’s the angle you went and that’s almost insulting lmao, in a fun way.

[JacksonVirgo]

JV shouldn't have been critical of me on Day 1 if I was a townread.

Can you elaborate on this

After you elaborate on the substance of your scum read please. I asked first.

Zzz

[Ranger]

i'm not voting outside of {Ranger, TBone} today and probably ever

It's your prerogative to vote town.

[Doctor Drew]

i'm not voting outside of {Ranger, TBone} today and probably ever

It's your prerogative to vote town.

As opposed to yours that saves scum?

[T-Bone]

I'm not trying to insult you I'm literally asking you to elaborate because I base my reads a lot on how I think others are trying to game solve or not game solve. This isn't a gotchu moment here. But if you haven't provided anything in this thread that I can see then I don't know why you would expect me to believe there is substance behind this shift in your read of me. I saw plenty of evidence of why you thought I was town. So you're not incapable of showing me or anyone else, why you think the way you think. I'm sorry you're demotivated, I'm not trying to do that, I'm trying to figure out if you're scum or not.

But I don't think it is a misrepresentation to say that JacksonVirgo has so far been unable to provide any reason as to why they think I'm scum. If someone other than JV disagrees me with me, please point it out. Because I went looking before I made my first statement to that, and then I went looking for receipts. But if there's something I'm not seeing I would like someone to correct me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Literally what? Have you read my posts at all?

[T-Bone]

JV shouldn't have been critical of me on Day 1 if I was a townread.

Can you elaborate on this

To answer this I alluded to it above, but you demonstrated why you thought I was town day 1, and that's something I expected to find. Comparing your Day 1 to STD is not the same because STD was calling me scum on Day 1 and you weren't. So I wanted to make it clear to others that I wasn't saying you had a town read on me on Day 1 and now you don't and only scum can do that. That's ridiculous, people can and do change reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah yes thank you, was misunderstanding

[T-Bone]

I think one thing I've done poorly is my choice of language. If JV is town, I don't mean to insinuate I know what JV is thinking better than they do. I'm really trying to draw the distinction that regardless of what JV truly thinks or feels, when it comes to their scum read of me I don't see any evidence of where it comes from. Maybe it's true that JV has been thinking about this read for a long time and just never chose to post about it until now. But I can only analyze what they've actually posted in thread.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yet you’re not seemingly looking at what I’m saying, in this thread

[JacksonVirgo]

Will respond in more depth soonish, am eating

[JacksonVirgo]

Hm, I think I see something that could possibly make sense if this is a genuine line of reasoning for you. Will explain later

[JacksonVirgo]

In the interim what would you consider “evidence”