Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[T-Bone]

PAGETOP BABY HAHAHA

[JacksonVirgo]

if Enchant is green I'm going to put more eyes on T-Bone for not doing anything when two town wagons were in the heat the entire day.

This was me just expressing the feelings I had about you, but my focus remained on HEM and at this point it was just a thought I only just had when I went and tried putting my current thoughts on each slot after the hammer, hence the lack of clarification at the time. I also didn't feel like I wanted nor needed to since it was directly related to the outcome of the flip. Like sure, it's not all the in depth at all but it's not like it came out of nowhere. The thing I was referring to in 1498 is that maybe your expectations for what town!JV would be doing is not in line with how I'm actually feeling about the game and therefore in comparison to what you feel I should be doing is "nothing" while this is me trying my best to see things for what they are.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was trying to utilise that I did just end the day, and therefore my brain has removed the pressure of the elimination and I could think clearly hence why I started going into more depth post-hammer

[T-Bone]

I try really hard (though I'm not always successful) to not proscribe what I think players should be doing. I try to analyze what i think players are and aren't doing. I probably send mixed messages when I constantly tell people to scum read me, but that's me wanting content to engage on.

[Doctor Drew]

Aww I must have just narrowly missed T-Bone's availability

Did you purposely make your avatar my secret metal crush?

Pre Edit: I definitely agree with that Bone.....Re: wanting to have heat on me

[JacksonVirgo]

I really am trying!

Yeah I can feel that now, I really do appreciate it.

[T-Bone]

I am a self-centered mafia player and just do better when I'm the center of attention. I'm the AniX of mafia if AniX played mafia (more)

[T-Bone]

Some of you will appreciate that

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you purposely make your avatar my secret metal crush?

Perhaps

Whoever doesn't have her as their secret metal crush is doing it wrong

[Doctor Drew]

I am a self-centered mafia player and just do better when I'm the center of attention. I'm the AniX of mafia if AniX played mafia (more)

Listen, I love when the main argument is about me and what my alignment is, a big part of why I loved the 9:12 game we played in together(and of course, your contribution to my sig).

So I hear ya

[JacksonVirgo]

You say that you don't try and prescribe how particular players should play, which I respect if it's the case but I still feel you're doing that with me OR I'm not seeing the gamestate for what it is or a mix of both. I feel like if this is a genuine read from your perspective, it's overlooking the progression I did have on you because of the amount I posted about it which doesn't feel like it's taking me for what I'm saying but instead assuming I should be playing X way because of the post count I have (using that as one example). It doesn't feel like you're seeing me for the entirety of me, but instead seeing in the lens that's easy to push with.

Like I understand if you're not liking my shift to you because it's based on little, because realistically it is based on little, but you're saying I haven't said anything about it? Which like am I just misjudging what I am doing, or are you not reading what I'm saying? I don't really get it

[JacksonVirgo]

you're saying I haven't said anything about it prior to you asking me*

[DragonEater70]

Prodding:
davesaz, Black, StD, Naerys

[T-Bone]

This is a weird point of contention but I will concede you made one post at the end of yesterday and that's technically something. But you think that's a fair representation of the totality of your argument? If you intended to communicate more, if you intended to expand more, and just didn't that's fine. But I don't know why you think it's so unfair of me to look at one post where you said "I need to look into t-bone more" and not see it as a substantial contribution to the shift in your read. What is there for me to glean exactly between that post and when you cast your vote for me? Not after, not after I said you had nothing, not last night when you added more detail. Between the time you said you needed to look into me further and the time you apparently finished looking into me and cast a vote. What happened that I should have seen?

[T-Bone]

Let's get to the core of the issue. Look at these posts. This is every post you made between the first time you mentioned wanting to look into me because I fell off to you...and when you voted me. Because when I said you I didn't see any substance to your read this is what I was looking at.

What am I missing?

Spoiler: The posts

Gob, Naerys, Ranger, Black, Dave all townie.
Drew and STD are fine
T-Bone I wanna look into more
HEM, Enchant are baddies

That's where I'm at right now. I dont think both HEM and Enchant are partners if enchant flips red.
Ranger's actions are weird but they're weird weird so I don't think it means anything.
I like Drews progressions, them jumping to Ranger doesn't make a whole lot of sense especially if Enchant is red
STD I like mainly cuz he's seeing me for me, which isn't something I should town-read but I'm going to anyway
Everyone else I believe I explained except T-Bone who just fell off to me, if Enchant is green I'm going to put more eyes on T-Bone for not doing anything when two town wagons were in the heat the entire day.

Oh no, whatever am I going to do

Okay you can post anime gifs, they were better.

me irl

I mean it's already too late, I hammered

I would have preferred HEM, Enchant was fine and it's exponentially better than me dead

0% chance of flipping wolf if I go
>1% chance of flipping wolf on anybody else.

Don't call me conceited

And that's ignoring anything to do with the games content

I mean tbf Drew, they explained it as consolidating more so than voting cuz they thought I would flip wolf. You should argue that part instead of the contradiction between the reads and the vote

Unless you don't believe that

But now just could have just been a pocket attempt

Am I not allowed to just town-read someone strongly?

Get his thoughts and then hammer me, I'm done with this game. This isn't a scum-claim.

I don't remember you saying that

I believe the mafia being mistakenly thought by me to be masons explains a lot of their control over D1. That gave them four votes together, in effect. I'll own up to the mistake and the consequences of it, yet if the result of my mistake is the entire scumteam spewed, I'll take the silver lining.

zzz, yeah throw the blame of what you did purely onto me rn. So wise

I think I have an hour to deep dive while dinner is being cooked (1.5 hours from now after travel and shopping), and a couple more hours after dinner.

I didn't clock that post, I just saw they were hammer range and went brr

Get his thoughts and then hammer me, I'm done with this game. This isn't a scum-claim.

Why are you not feeling this game?

It's less me not feeling this game and more if I'm going out nmw like it seems every single person wants me out, no use delaying that unnecessarily. The feeling of pending doom is unnerving

VOTE: T-Bone

For prosperity

[T-Bone]

I'm not discounting anything you said after we started this argument but that's unfair to complain to me for not taking into consideration posts you hadn't made yet.

[Naerys]

Kek, bad at tracking time, sorry mod

[DragonEater70]

I'll never forgive u Naerys

U r now blacklisted from ever joining my games :p

[davesaz]

Prodding:
davesaz, Black, StD, Naerys

coincidentally this was one minute after my wakeup alarm today

[Black]

I'm here. I'll catch up shortly

[Save The Dragons]

i'm not voting outside of {Ranger, TBone} today and probably ever

im still here

[davesaz]

T-Bone looks town in that interaction.

[davesaz]

i'm not voting outside of {Ranger, TBone} today and probably ever

im still here

Please explain the reasons why. Preferably with quotes.

[Save The Dragons]

VC 1.21

Votecount 1.21

usesPython (7):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey, Black, Save The Dragons, davesaz

[HAMMER]

Black (2):

usesPython,

Ranger

Dannflor (2):

Doctor Drew, light_ganski

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

light_ganski (1):

JacksonVirgo

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an elimination.

Mod notes:

• Fun fact: Alianna did more VCs than me this day phase which means she won and I lost
  
• Fun fact 2: I've recently modded a game where the flavor was (fake) facts and now I'm addicted to posting random facts as this VC plainly showcases.
  
• Actually important note:
  you all should PM me and Alianna a fast night request and then I could probably process the night phase before midnight in American time (specifically the time zone that's one hour later than EST). Wouldn't that be cool?
  
• Combined mod ISO

VC 2.09

Votecount 2.09

Enchant (6):

T-Bone

, Save The Dragons, Naerys, Black,

Ranger

, JacksonVirgo

[HAMMER]

JacksonVirgo (1):

humaneatingmonkey

Naerys (1):

Enchant

Ranger (1):

Doctor Drew

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, gob

With 11 players alive, it took 6 votes to secure an elimination.

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

Three people voted Enchant and didn't vote python: T-Bone, Ranger, and JV.

Of these three, I tr JV. I think JV has been hunting and going after who they think is scum.

As far as Ranger goes, I find it incredulous that they actually believe 1467. It is a wild post. Is it possible that I'm just not seeing it and they actually believe everything they spout in that post? yeah. But I can't sit here in good faith and be like "this isn't fishy" to me, no matter how many times people are like "oh that's just Ranger"

As far as T-Bone goes, this is more of a vibe read based on his body of work this game. T-Bone seems to be in the background, manipulating things with a stead hand instead of going out there and making pushes, he looks like he's trying to avoid attention and he's just popping in whenever it's convenient to do so to say something pithy rather than push for a read he believes in or move the gamestate forward.

I'm mobile so sorry for the successive posting. I'd put my reads as

The Dann tier (Light, Dave, Drew)
The Bone tier (JV, Black, Gob/Naerys)
The should be scum tier but probably isn't (STD, maybe also Naerys)
Everyone else (Ranger, HEM)

For instance, what is this readslist? It doesn't do anything or explain where his head is truly at.

would you settle for enchant

but would you?

What's the point of this

Well, I'm never thrilled to be gaslit in front of my fucking face. But I can cope.

Oh finally real emotion instead of these closed off responses you have been giving lol.

I have been saying quite a bit here I think you are trying for a push on gob.

I have been in the minority saying that gob isn't obvtown, and think he is scummy.

But your push here, and yes it is a push, makes me question what your intentions are here.

Like it seems you saw there was support for a gob lim in that python post, and latched onto it.

This is actually weird. Should we not look at what Python was doing for associations?

this is weird too because does he actually do this or is he just popping in to defend someone to look townie and pocket

[Black]

Get his thoughts and then hammer me, I'm done with this game. This isn't a scum-claim.

Why are you not feeling this game?

It's less me not feeling this game and more if I'm going out nmw like it seems every single person wants me out, no use delaying that unnecessarily. The feeling of pending doom is unnerving

Relatable