also did you notice that 706/707 the first posts you feel like resemble "scumhunting" came after Titus asked Bell for reads and I told Titus that Bell forgot to scumhunt because he's mafia
like do you even read into the context of what's happening in the game
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
As a bear wrestler I advise being careful. I’ve made this point a lot but it remains true they will exhaust you. So how you think is healthiest to engage will save you a lot of grief.
Pooky respectfully stop being a conf-biased person rn, your recent post abt bell just making book reports can apply to others that you arent using (looking at maid cafe here)
you're clearly not selfaware of how you have been playing the game so i want to town you for it. I want you to ignore bell right now and look at the harmony wagon and the ppl voting there
In post 1829, lemon.tangerine wrote:
Pooky respectfully stop being a conf-biased person rn, your recent post abt bell just making book reports can apply to others that you arent using (looking at maid cafe here)
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
I wanted to comment on this post because it kind of veers into something I enjoy about mafia. get ready for pop psychology.
1. This interaction with Lemon and Titus, I think points toward Town Lemon, I know I already town read them and there are other things that point that way that are, I think more objectively accurate, i.e., the claim out of nowhere. However, forgive my abstraction, I'm not a wordsmith.
Do you know that precipice you sit at when making a decision?
Like, when we're deciding whether someone is town or scum there's that point where we aren't sure. Some, or rather I think most players use a gradient in their heads where they lean toward or make multiple decisions about a players actions, kind of evidence building or confirmation bias what have you. But there's an underlying anxiety or instability when in that space before making that decision of whether to lean town or scum on this or that post. I think that their read of Titus leaning into town is because of that destabilization and that need to get out of that anxiety space by creating something more stable. They forced a decision to get out of that space, but I don't think they'd have that anxiety here if they were scum. I don't think they would feel put upon to justify or make meaning out of something they spent time on an interaction on with that, on careful examination didn't say much.
In post 1061, Bell wrote:
I can’t tell if Dunn was serious with their early push on Ircher. I’m not complaining, but I can never read that guy.
I was serious, I think Ircher was being weird.
My experience with Ircher is that they’re always weird. They were remarkably atonal at the beginning of the game though. The voice sounded the exact same throughout it was guileless, which isn’t Ircher. Who is full of guile.
I dunno what to make of it. Which is why there they sit. In my neutral pile.
In post 1136, Bell wrote:
I know you’re not interested in my takes Titus, but it find it pretty unlikely Lemon is scum.
They Rand released their role, seem pretty engaged in the game, have relatively novel takes and seem to be trying to be town clever and not scum clever. I can’t correct for their idiosyncrasies since it’s first game with them, but for me their angles and trajectories are all wrong for scum.
In post 1138, Bell wrote:
They are also proactive and don’t shy away from engagement. At the least they’re a terrible day one elim.
In post 1256, Bell wrote:
HST keeps trying to interpret naked votes. Usually by adding in their own diluted takes on the player.
I think there might be a means of figuring out their alignment based on this. Trying to put it together in my head.
Idle curiosity from an informed perspective and creating these kind of molded down takes as a thought exercise. To make an approach to another.
This probably won’t go anywhere but, motions. Ircher, why didn’t you vote Dunnstral when you made a case against them and instead made a naked vote on harmony? This resulted in a slow walk reveal when you’re obviously capable of providing your reasoning and your response to HST is worded/approached differently, more referential than your more direct reasoning elsewhere.
In post 1295, Bell wrote:
I town read those posts by joyboy too. Mostly because they were tasting the air unprompted in a way, that from my perspective, is something that would cause the scum team anxiety. They appeared to be trying to settle on a read of me asking a question that points to them thinking it unlikely that I’d post so much if I were scum, but still being willing to check.
I don’t see how that post was scummy. It’s rather complex, but I don’t see the scum angle in asking?
To note though, I know I’m town so obviously it looks different to me.
In post 1332, Bell wrote:
ISO’d Hutao. Miniscule town lean.
Slightly more willing to reveal positioning in this game compared to the previous I reviewed just because.
But it’s not strong enough.
In post 1333, Bell wrote:
Second game review. Still the same idea. town in other. More takes, a little less slow to get their feet wet. A little more circumspect/cautious cautious as scum on putting their foot in it.
Yeah. Extremely minor. Think this read is appropriate. Not enough.
I'm leaving 1036 and 1037 out because apparently i put the wrong post numbers for those and i forgot which posts i referred to, so i'll have to dig for them again.
In post 1829, lemon.tangerine wrote:
Pooky respectfully stop being a conf-biased person rn, your recent post abt bell just making book reports can apply to others that you arent using (looking at maid cafe here)
the reason I am talking to Sakura about Bell is not because I'm trying to kill Bell or I'm trying to convince Sakura to help me kill Bell.
I am trying to gauge whether Sakura believes any of what she's saying about Bell and has actually gotten to this point of view from a uninformed perspective. She remains unsorted for me. Her play is a heavy deviation from what I think she's capable of doing as town or scum.
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
Thinking about it probably a quote wall would've been better it also helps me not have to remember and type by hand post numbers. Oh well that's something to learn from i guess.
In post 1838, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
the reason I am talking to Sakura about Bell is not because I'm trying to kill Bell or I'm trying to convince Sakura to help me kill Bell.
I am trying to gauge whether Sakura believes any of what she's saying about Bell and has actually gotten to this point of view from a uninformed perspective. She remains unsorted for me. Her play is a heavy deviation from what I think she's capable of doing as town or scum.
Pooky good for you, you are town because of it. However if im telling you that you can be wrong and that what you are doing is turning into a unhealthy habit. I want you to listen to me and just for a couple of moments and give me thoughts on other playera that arent related to bell
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
In post 1842, Sakura Hana wrote:
Sorry to say lemon, but the way Pooky's approaching Bell, which as i said earlier, is bad faith, is pretty much why i think Pooky is scum.
bad faith does not equal scum, but it is a valid reason to scum someone for.
I wanted to comment on this post because it kind of veers into something I enjoy about mafia. get ready for pop psychology.
1. This interaction with Lemon and Titus, I think points toward Town Lemon, I know I already town read them and there are other things that point that way that are, I think more objectively accurate, i.e., the claim out of nowhere. However, forgive my abstraction, I'm not a wordsmith.
Do you know that precipice you sit at when making a decision?
Like, when we're deciding whether someone is town or scum there's that point where we aren't sure. Some, or rather I think most players use a gradient in their heads where they lean toward or make multiple decisions about a players actions, kind of evidence building or confirmation bias what have you. But there's an underlying anxiety or instability when in that space before making that decision of whether to lean town or scum on this or that post. I think that their read of Titus leaning into town is because of that destabilization and that need to get out of that anxiety space by creating something more stable. They forced a decision to get out of that space, but I don't think they'd have that anxiety here if they were scum. I don't think they would feel put upon to justify or make meaning out of something they spent time on an interaction on with that, on careful examination didn't say much.
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
Scumhunting? Like cant you read, Bell is literally analyzing an interaction and coming to a conclusion.
Anyway feel free to leave commenting on the rest of my quotes till later, in the event that you're town, i agree that you need to get your head out of that tunnel and look at other people. We got time in the deadline.
