Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

Making lunch will get back to you, answer that one tho in the meantime please

Also question for you when you get back, since you are now voting me.

If you are town and were about to be a mislim, what scum motivation would I have to vote Nae here?

I already said why, I think you're trying to set up two mislims. I honestly feel I'm inevitably going to be eliminated, it feels like it has to happen and I'm sure many people agree with me on this (I don't like it but who would?). Naerys is typically a linked read with me, taking into consideration your words around our slots and then Ranger being conf-bias tunnelled as well. If I go out first, it will be harder (not saying impossible) to set up the Naerys elimination after but if Naerys goes first, you can always jump back on my isolated actions such as my hard defence of Python etc. It feels like it's massively scum motivated and doesn't read to me as a genuine though process, it reeks of agenda and I don't like it

[Doctor Drew]

Making lunch will get back to you, answer that one tho in the meantime please

Also question for you when you get back, since you are now voting me.

If you are town and were about to be a mislim, what scum motivation would I have to vote Nae here?

I already said why, I think you're trying to set up two mislims. I honestly feel I'm inevitably going to be eliminated, it feels like it has to happen and I'm sure many people agree with me on this (I don't like it but who would?). Naerys is typically a linked read with me, taking into consideration your words around our slots and then Ranger being conf-bias tunnelled as well. If I go out first, it will be harder (not saying impossible) to set up the Naerys elimination after but if Naerys goes first, you can always jump back on my isolated actions such as my hard defence of Python etc. It feels like it's massively scum motivated and doesn't read to me as a genuine though process, it reeks of agenda and I don't like it

The only agenda I have is limming scum, you can disagree with my viewpoints here, but as I have been saying I don't think you are very towny as well.

As scum I just want the mislim, then go from there. Keep it simple and day by day......especially if i would be so close to victory.

I do want to hear from Bone some more here though

[davesaz]

Didn't I just say I find it likely you are both scum?

Yes, and I don't believe you

or

I feel like the reasoning towards you voting Naerys here over myself is clouded through the read on me. I don't believe you can realistically make the argument you did without assuming that it's because of some form of interaction with me, which you said multiple times yet keep ignoring. Referring to these quotes in particular

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Especially when Jackson was at E-1, you take your vote off of him because Bone votes you?

Feels like she felt safe by self voting to save you.

I mean, I don't think she was expecting more votes on her

Counterpoint, scum didn't want to buss and realized you were at E-1 after the VC

I also just said I feel like Nae would be the more likely scum as I went through typing my last post.

There doesn't seem to be a town motivation that I can think of for her to jump off you in the way she did.

And where's the scum motivation? Just trying out an AtE instead of sticking to the push on me?

It can't be neither. I would think "not town motivated implies scum" is a lot more likely than "not scum motivated implies town". This is a very illogical point to try to make.

[JacksonVirgo]

As scum I just want the mislim, then go from there. Keep it simple and day by day......especially if i would be so close to victory.

So convincing lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

It can't be neither. I would think "not town motivated implies scum" is a lot more likely than "not scum motivated implies town". This is a very illogical point to try to make.

How about you don't try and frame a philosophical disagreement as illogical. Wolves and town run on differently established axioms, I believe those to be for scum they need to not die and then kill town. Town has they need to find and kill wolves. Argue the specifics of these if you wish to.

In this particular setup scum have a very clear directive, they know who the people are they need to kill off (especially now with all the masons either dead or claimed) and they know the people who they don't want to kill off. Town does not have this same clear directive as they do not know who they need to be killing off, they need to discover them over time.

Therefore actions made by Town are not always apparent to be pro-town or motivated by an obvious "town perspective" because that town perspective can be much wider and thus loose and gives town more freedom to do what they please. Scum have axioms that are much more static and built around survival than the town's and therefore it's a much more reliable tell to search for whether something has scum motivation as opposed to town motivation to gauge the relative "towniness" a particular person has.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not necessarily saying that lack of scum motivation is townie, I'm saying it's NAI

[JacksonVirgo]

In this circumstance anyway

[Black]

Would I do that as scum you think?

If I didn't think you would then I wouldn't be suspicious of it

[Black]

Like, why would Nae self vote there?

If you are town and being genuinely frustrated that you are being scum read, then really push for someone to hammer Jackson......ya know, the person you are voting for?

I agree it feels a little performative and not really in the townie way but I've seen town self vote out of frustration before. I think you are expecting Naerys to make the optimal play in a moment of weakness but I'm not sure that's fair

[Black]

Pre Edit: Honestly, doesn't change much.....why would town remove their vote from you to self vote?

Why would scum remove their vote from the likely elim to self-vote? Naerys self-voting in your logic seems to be linked to believing me as a wolf, yet you're voting her and not me. "Lets see who flips what" no, that's not what I am asking. I don't trust the thought process you have, I need you to elaborate on it.

I agree with this. I think scum might do it for some town cred but that's the only benefit really

[Black]

My thing with Jackson is I know he's a really good scum player. It feels like he's saying townie things and using good logic but I know he's capable of doing that as scum because he just did it in a game that ended recently. The townie stuff is just not really changing my mind at all. I don't think we can let Jackson get to ELO

[JacksonVirgo]

My thing with Jackson is I know he's a really good scum player. It feels like he's saying townie things and using good logic but I know he's capable of doing that as scum because he just did it in a game that ended recently. The townie stuff is just not really changing my mind at all. I don't think we can let Jackson get to ELO

Lmfao, suffering from success. I agree with your conclusion though, the town has too much dissonance my slot will always be a major point of discussion and I don’t want that in ELO so unless that dissonance can be resolved (challenge level: impossible) I need to sleep with the fishies

[Naerys]

Drew might be scum

[humaneatingmonkey]

the tbone wagon never happened

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew might be scum

Indeed

[Naerys]

Like, why would Nae self vote there?

If you are town and being genuinely frustrated that you are being scum read, then really push for someone to hammer Jackson......ya know, the person you are voting for?

I agree it feels a little performative and not really in the townie way but I've seen town self vote out of frustration before. I think you are expecting Naerys to make the optimal play in a moment of weakness but I'm not sure that's fair

i just dont want to deal with ranger twisting everything i do or say anymore, it kinda brings out my worst personality traits

[Save The Dragons]

if you're town can you ignore ranger's posts and not self vote

if you're scum do what you want

[T-Bone]

Making lunch will get back to you, answer that one tho in the meantime please

Also question for you when you get back, since you are now voting me.

If you are town and were about to be a mislim, what scum motivation would I have to vote Nae here?

I already said why, I think you're trying to set up two mislims. I honestly feel I'm inevitably going to be eliminated, it feels like it has to happen and I'm sure many people agree with me on this (I don't like it but who would?). Naerys is typically a linked read with me, taking into consideration your words around our slots and then Ranger being conf-bias tunnelled as well. If I go out first, it will be harder (not saying impossible) to set up the Naerys elimination after but if Naerys goes first, you can always jump back on my isolated actions such as my hard defence of Python etc. It feels like it's massively scum motivated and doesn't read to me as a genuine though process, it reeks of agenda and I don't like it

The only agenda I have is limming scum, you can disagree with my viewpoints here, but as I have been saying I don't think you are very towny as well.

As scum I just want the mislim, then go from there. Keep it simple and day by day......especially if i would be so close to victory.

I do want to hear from Bone some more here though

About? If you've asked me something recently then I have missed it.

[T-Bone]

the tbone wagon never happened

Disappointing tbh

[Save The Dragons]

i am dissapointed

[Naerys]

if you're town can you ignore ranger's posts and not self vote

if you're scum do what you want

i am town and i do what i want

[Save The Dragons]

look if there's anyone here who understands your frustrations with ranger, it's me

if you wanna get yeeted that's your prerogative but if you wanna help us win please vote someone else

[Naerys]

fine
VOTE: davesaz

[Naerys]

i still want to solve in the black-std-dave part of python wagon

[Naerys]

hmm black wagon started to form after python was getting close to lim
-> black town

VC 1.17

Votecount 1.17

usesPython (5):

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey, Black

Black (4):

JacksonVirgo, usesPython, davesaz, Ranger

gob (1):

light_ganski

T-Bone (1):

Save The Dragons

Dannflor (1):

Doctor Drew

davesaz (1):

T-Bone

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-29 17:40:53).

Mod notes:

• Combined mod ISO

this kinda obviously shows atleast one of JV, dave, Ranger is scum