Kemusan - Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

cause i'll tell you this much right now, i'm 100% that there's exactly one scum in ffery/cabd (they can't be S/S and they're just not T/T here to my eyes)

and I'm pretty confident there is at LEAST one scum in Enchant/RH9/FireRed

So I'm expecting my play kills 2 scum. At worst we're only getting 1 and at best i'm even better off than I think and we're getting like 3.

ALL of these outcomes I'm pretty pleased with. 1 isn't ideal but we'll survive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I agree that cabd/ffery is not tvt

I really don't like the idea of limming through enchant/rh9 and forcing a lady to go unpaired (esp. Fire???) - my confidence level that we'll hit even one scum in these is not high and feels like we'd just be chaining a lot of 'town but hard to read' people here

I feel VERY confident that we find 1 scum in Enchant/Rh9/FireRed. But if you want to swap to another of the ??? Ladies who aren't paired I'll do anywhich one you want, because I'm more confident in Enchant/Rh9 than I am about any of the ladies tbh? I do think FireRed is my most suspicious of the ones I listed, though.

[fireisredsir]

i think skitter is my second strongest townread now

not really as a reaction to the last few posts, more the earlier ones

[RCEnigma]

Explicitly within a certain time frame, your posting has been a touch more focused on ffery and otherwise muted but once again this is a very unlikely theory because she (gypyx) is still very likely town so moot point.

Err…aren’t you ALSO focused on figuring out ffer’s alignment? Like specifically so?

[RCEnigma]

I was asked to explain what circumstances my town read of you could decay and what I'd think was happening if you were mafia.

I'm still fairly confident yours is a T-T pairing.

Thought you were shading std for having similar objectives with the decay thing as a preface….I’ll just read first.

[Bell]

I’m fine giving you two maximum time to try to solve the game without actually sparing either of you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m fine giving you two maximum time to try to solve the game without actually sparing either of you.

... oh.

oh no.

[skitter30]

I agree that cabd/ffery is not tvt

I really don't like the idea of limming through enchant/rh9 and forcing a lady to go unpaired (esp. Fire???) - my confidence level that we'll hit even one scum in these is not high and feels like we'd just be chaining a lot of 'town but hard to read' people here

I feel VERY confident that we find 1 scum in Enchant/Rh9/FireRed. But if you want to swap to another of the ??? Ladies who aren't paired I'll do anywhich one you want, because I'm more confident in Enchant/Rh9 than I am about any of the ladies tbh? I do think FireRed is my most suspicious of the ones I listed, though.

I guess i'm really just not that confident we'll find scum in enchant/rh9
Like is it impossible? No
But also like do i have high enuf confidence that i want to make a gameplan on this? Also no

(I will say that the first thought that popped into my head upon reading this is that you might be scum functionally chaining mislims on easy / non-controversial targets ....)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

uhhh, how do i handle this cursed knowledge, saying it is bad, not saying it might also be bad uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I agree that cabd/ffery is not tvt

I really don't like the idea of limming through enchant/rh9 and forcing a lady to go unpaired (esp. Fire???) - my confidence level that we'll hit even one scum in these is not high and feels like we'd just be chaining a lot of 'town but hard to read' people here

I feel VERY confident that we find 1 scum in Enchant/Rh9/FireRed. But if you want to swap to another of the ??? Ladies who aren't paired I'll do anywhich one you want, because I'm more confident in Enchant/Rh9 than I am about any of the ladies tbh? I do think FireRed is my most suspicious of the ones I listed, though.

I guess i'm really just not that confident we'll find scum in enchant/rh9
Like is it impossible? No
But also like do i have high enuf confidence that i want to make a gameplan on this? Also no

(I will say that the first thought that popped into my head upon reading this is that you might be scum functionally chaining mislims on easy / non-controversial targets ....)

right but with zero flips how are you going to go "you're scum chaining mislims"

mislim chaining is something you can only see once you get, you know, flips. The "chaining" part is done by going "and if this is town, then by logic THIS one is scum instead!" it's chain logic

i'm not chaining anything, I'm advocating for scorched earth on 4-5 slots in the game and then evaluating where we stand from there. I don't get what you're trying to say here.

[fireisredsir]

idk i think if LLD is scum there probably is scum in rh9/enchant

[skitter30]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like you're both hedging on enchant and rh9 like "oh they COULD flip scum but i'm not sure" and then accusing me of possibly being scum chaining miselims.

when in reality the way to setup for what you're describing is to slot a bunch of slots into the "could flip scum but i'm not sold on it yet" slot, go after your "TOP SCUM READS" and then weed your way down to sorting the people who "might be scum if i'm wrong here" "oh no i was wrong here, it has to be this slot i thought was scummy the whole time i just got it wrong"

like, it's weird that you're doing what you're accusing me of doing, in a way.

[Bell]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

How would you like us to proceed? A no elimination?

[RCEnigma]

I thought about saccing a lady not named Ydrasse for the extra gent flip but I don’t think fire/cakes flips scum between them. So 2 town for 1 possible scum doesn’t seem great.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

How would you like us to proceed? A no elimination?

which take on my worldview is scummier, do you think

firered for ignoring my whole solving process only to come in and accuse me of bussing with no real backup to the claim or flips

or skitter for chainsaw defending rh9/enchant while accusing me of chaining eliminations when again there's no flips and no chaining going on

[skitter30]

I don't really follow how i'm doing thr same thing as you, at all

You're also stating a much higher confidence on scum in enchant/rh9 than i am (which is why i don't especially think we should be limming through them)

I'm finishing up my workday but happy to discuss more in a few hours

[RCEnigma]

idk i think if LLD is scum there probably is scum in rh9/enchant

Wyzzat?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought about saccing a lady not named Ydrasse for the extra gent flip but I don’t think fire/cakes flips scum between them. So 2 town for 1 possible scum doesn’t seem great.

two town for 1 scum wins the game in 13-4

let's say scum kills 2 townies with their only nk, right? 11-4

9-3

7-2

5-1

3-0

comfortably wins, lol

[fireisredsir]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

i don't think she as scum would gain that much for insisting that there's scum in there and we have to lim them. especially when people bop her so often, she's just kind of burning cred for not much reason

if she were trying to save a scum lavar/rce, again i don't think that's a super likely track because her saying this is pretty unlikely to do that much to influence the people who actually have a choice in who lives and dies (me, cakez, ydra)

[Bell]

Skitter’s been kind of out of step with foundational knowledge in game. I’m not sure what, if anything, to make of it.

Randomly accusing people of bussing is a time honored tradition.

[skitter30]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

How would you like us to proceed? A no elimination?

No but 'there's probably scum in one of rh9/enchant and some unpaired lady so let's just do all of them' isnt the way we should go either

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really follow how i'm doing thr same thing as you, at all

You're also stating a much higher confidence on scum in enchant/rh9 than i am (which is why i don't especially think we should be limming through them)

I'm finishing up my workday but happy to discuss more in a few hours

I'm saying you're using words that don't describe my play, and if anything those words are more indicative of how you are playing (though not really accurate either)

I respect that you don't have as high scumreads on those slots, so let me ask you point blank, beyond Ffery/Cabd, who ARE you scumreading at this point Skitter?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't like your pick of people to flip, it goes counter ro my view of the game and i'm not confident we should just 'kill people and let'a see where we are' or that this is a game plan that will lead to success

Pedit interesting thought, elaborate?

How would you like us to proceed? A no elimination?

No but 'there's probably scum in one of rh9/enchant and some unpaired lady so let's just do all of them' isnt the way we should go either

it literally is, lol

[RCEnigma]

I thought about saccing a lady not named Ydrasse for the extra gent flip but I don’t think fire/cakes flips scum between them. So 2 town for 1 possible scum doesn’t seem great.

two town for 1 scum wins the game in 13-4

let's say scum kills 2 townies with their only nk, right? 11-4

9-3

7-2

5-1

3-0

comfortably wins, lol

Well mafia is not a game of math.