Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[JupiterXV]

pagetop

[Dannflor]

JUPITER

[Dannflor]

black what are your reads at

[DragonEater70]

VC 1.11

Votecount 1.11

tris (3):

Dannflor, Black, usesPython

[E-2]

JacksonVirgo (3):

JupiterXV, fireisredsir, tris

[E-2]

hellbooks (1):

Roden

JupiterXV (1):

JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (1):

hellbooks

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in

(expired on 2024-02-21 01:27:42)

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Mod notes:

• Not prodding Dannflor. (also look at my sig!)
  
• Combined mod ISO

[JupiterXV]

JUPITER

yes?

[JupiterXV]

i should probably focus on my things why am I playing mafia right now

[usesPython]

i should probably focus on my things why am I playing mafia right now

Mafia is an addiction none can escape

[Dannflor]

JUPITER

yes?

are you still scum reading me what happened with that

[Black]

black what are your reads at

Black

usesPython
hellbooks

fireisredsir
Dannflor
Roden
Jackson
tris

Jupiter

Alianna

[Black]

VOTE: Jupiter

[JupiterXV]

JUPITER

yes?

are you still scum reading me what happened with that

not really i think you've been doing more now and i can reasonably Not Scumread You at this point though my scumread on you wasn't particularly reasonable to begin with

[JupiterXV]

VOTE: Jupiter

k

[Black]

VOTE: Jupiter

k

I'm sorry you rolled scum again. I was hoping to catch them with you this time

[JacksonVirgo]

My jup analysis

32 paired with 33 reads to me as an awkward attempt at getting town points, I believe black was also one to call this out in particular but I saw it in a different light than she did as I don't just see this as a "I wanna be scum so bad" scum-tell which Jupiter later labelled the argument (which I also hate, and I will talk more about it when I get to it but it's also lowering the expectations from town!jupter in a sense where he can refer to this when he makes bad or scummy plays as a sense of avoiding responsibility.

He hadn't posted much "game advancing content" between that point and the place he decides to double down on the "I'm so bad at town guys" in 99 which I feel is incredibly showing of their general perspective this game which is to work on his appearance moreso than finding wolves.

This is a throwaway statement because I don't like harping on about associatives but I do think Dann/Jupiter has scum equity together because of how Dann's been acting around Jupiter but I'm also saying this right now because of Jup's 100. I feel like if one is scum, the other is much more likely to also be a wolf (and thus will probably get stabbed per the game rules).

106's (and by extension 107) "I'd probably suspect myself too" is once again linking back to my assessment of their perspective being primarily image-focused. Especially whenever people vote him he responds to it directly like they did with Black's initial vote in 46 and now fire in 108 only to now get to the point which I dislike quite heavily

In 136 instead of taking the scum-read as it is, they decide to try and discredit the argument Black was making against him and I think that is because of tris's general disposition towards the question. It feels like they're genuinely suspicious when they said "why would she vote you for that?" of which I feel Jupiter leaned in on and started his attempt to shift onto or at the very least discredit Black's position which I feel is pretty cut and dry manipulative here.

Jupiter goes into the thread in 138 with a (paraphrased) statement that people should stop asking them questions because they will just keep bullshitting. Please read the post for yourself because I did cut a middle chunk out but generally this is

once again

withholding responsibility from their own posts. I feel they know they're going to be called out for shit (because they're wolf) and thus need to give themselves the wiggle room they need to get out of a pickle. They've had this behaviour from incredibly early on and it's only gotten worse.

144 is the only post I've found so far that I've considered something as townie, where they're asking people to ask them to explain their read but paired with 138 I don't think I even like this it feels their behaviour and statements are fairly disjointed for something that's "

mainly

non-serious" (referring to 141) showing that it's not non-serious, it's just partly non-serious and then they decided to full commit to the exact same idea they were trying to explain in their 138 but with a more "townie" lens on it because "har har it was a joke, but it was also serious". I'm not sure how to put this feeling into words so please ask me to clarify if this isn't making much sense.

Jupiter has spit out these random thoughts on Dann twice, I am catching it just now in 163 but there was one much earlier which I also commented on I believe but this feels incredibly weird to happen twice but I am also aware I am already feeling a link between the two so me being hyperaware of those two interacting is a non-zero chance.

I just realised my read on this particular post had shifted

substantially

since my original post I had accidentally deleted. At first I town-read this moment, shifting back for reasons similar enough to what Black had stated about it and if I were to strip my linked read to Jupiter out of the window that would be exactly what I would be concluding but this interaction paired with the fact they had interacted with Dann prior, this could very well be a panic realising they said something they didn't have the backing to actually pull through with so they retracted in a panic moreso than genuine progression which I had initially thought this was. I won't comment on Dann's interaction with this just yet but I think that's pretty dog water too, wait for my ISO on them.

In 273, 274 and 275 respectfully, they had decided that posting a read list would be a good idea, posted exactly "actually I don't even remember like any of these people" and then spat out this weak read list prefacing once again that they had no idea how to read people. Every single time they put their game-related thoughts on paper, they are wearing the biggest hardhat that I've ever seen.

"black is probably town but this sucks because she will kill me dead" in 292 why is this a thought?

This was around the point that I replaced in, they pivoted to voting me for reasons I don't believe they've ever explained (if I'm wrong, I will go back and correct this if I remember to) which is fine I don't care about votes on me it's just their behaviour surrounding voting a non-poster is unnatural and it is at conflict with what town would be treating someone like me. They aren't voting me for lack of a better scum-read, or because the longer someone slacks off the more important they are to kill off. They are trying to actively "form a community" around voting me. Their "omg one of us" in 447 and the "finally someone recognizes this" in 488 when Dann says I am scummier the longer I am a void. Voting non-posters for the reasons you should vote them is natural; this isn't natural, it's a low effort push for the sake of a push. I completely think this is to get his vote off of Dannflor but even if it isn't he said "finally someone recognizes this" without even STARTING to try and explain this to people if he genuinely believes this. I see somebody who saw logic that resonated with him, and then took it for his own retrospectively to put weight behind his "push".

572 is them going back to seeing themselves as LHF and easier to scum-read circling all the way back to their obsession with their self image.

E: Fixed broken tag

[JacksonVirgo]

I fucked up a post tag, whoops

[JacksonVirgo]

I say replaced in, I just realised I didn't replace in. Why did I think that

[tris]

lmao

[tris]

the point about their approach to voting you is your strongest point there i think

[tris]

a lot of the rest of it i read as more nai

[tris]

will take a look at this more when im not bisy

[tris]

busy

[JacksonVirgo]

the point about their approach to voting you is your strongest point there i think

a lot of the rest of it i read as more nai

I of course don't think it's NAI but assuming you're talking about the self-image related posts I think that's all down to a few assumptiosn that I made, the biggest I can see is that I believe self-image is generally scummy, which again I'm not saying it always is by any stretch of the imagination, but I think their primary focus this game

is

their own image and trying to protect themselves in the future which I don't see as townie. Everything of worth that I see from them has some form of underlying agenda that isn't saying their reads etc most of the time that I saw it, that would be to protect their own ass from backlash

[tris]

i think i am naturally self concious in a way that makes me wonder if jupiter is too

[JacksonVirgo]

Like I understand that the core "focusing on self-image" can be NAI, I am saying that his way of doing it is not. I understand being self-conscious, and I also understand focusing somewhat on self-image as I do that regardless of my alignment (as should everybody) but his seems to be coming from a different place than that, and that's why I am seeing it as wolfy moreso than you seem to be.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll try and put that into better words soon, I've got a call I need to get ready for but thank you for making me realise that I need to put that specific part into words rather than examples of it.