Kemusan - Game Over

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I called Cabd townlean, flipped scum
I called Enchant over Lavar, Enchant flipped scum
I called LLD town, LLD flipped scum

I have never been broken this bad in my entire mafiascum career

[HolySpiritTurtle]

And it’s a pagetop too, nice

[Gypyx]

I called Cabd townlean, flipped scum
I called Enchant over Lavar, Enchant flipped scum
I called LLD town, LLD flipped scum

I have never been broken this bad in my entire mafiascum career

hey now that's my bit, you can't take it, go find your own thing

[Spiffeh]

If I had to yolo call it I'd make the final two endgame pairs HST-Bell and Spiffeh-Gypyx and be pretty self-assured we won.

I bet this statement is going to make Spay spit out her liquor.

We have found ourselves in the exact endgame scum!Cabd foretold

I hate that we've given him what he wanted regardless of the outcome

[Spiffeh]

Cabd why are u so confident on gypyx-town?

Wait, seriously?

I genuinely thought this would be a universal town read.

She's like, so transparently town that she's seeing the doctor due to ongoing green colored shits. (I recommend fiber)

374 is my biggest sticking point though! The way in which she immediately and urgently jumps down Turtle's throat for a read on me (which hey, there's no ACTUAL guarantee that Spay and I nuke ourselves and don't make town do it) puts her right in the forefront of the conversation about two players who, if she's mafia and my call on spay is right, are ABSOLUTELY going to be having their reads listened to after death?

That's a take no prisoners town approach and I am HERE for it.

This post was made after Cabd is paired with widely scum-read fferylit, LLD is paired with Firebringer who has already announced he will be leaving the dance before she can endgame, and Enchant is potentially being left out of the dance with a lot of stated suspicion on that slot. My question is, does scum!Cabd really town case his final scumbuddy at this point? If Gypyx is the ONLY designated deep scum, would he really go out of his way to do this when it could potentially sketch people out about Gypyx and backfire?

The answer is: I have no fucking clue. I think scum!Cabd is capable of anything and I also think he would expect to reasonably depend on scum!LLD to set up their final scumbuddy for endgame, so I wouldn't rule it out.

But this is something I wanted to bring up in case others had thoughts on it (particularly Bell).

[Spiffeh]

I do also want to take a lot of associations with flipped scum with a grain of salt just because two left voluntarily as soon as they could and LLD knew very early on that Firebringer wouldn't bring her to endgame. They all knew their lifespans were limited.

So they likely spewed a lot of shit to deliberately mislead us.

[Gypyx]

i think the fact that HST has paired with bell out of her own initiative is also somewhat scum!indicative since like, bell seems to be proud and willing to go to endgame

[Bell]

History there, HST and I have hydra’d a few times before.

[Gypyx]

oh sorry, well, it makes even more sense no? Like, yeah maybe me + spiffeh can be seen as going deep somewhat reliably, but me pocketing him, even when coached by 2-3 people is a tall order, while HST already has some of the tools required

[Bell]

Oh, I did hallucinate that they asked me to dance.
Or Pooky didn’t update their board.
Either or.

He did ask, but for Pooky's purposes you have to ask HST. So think of it as an invitation for you to invite.

I'm townreading him, and between Spiffeh and him (and you), I feel like I have a structure I can use to evaluate other stuff. And that's a good feeling.

My one footnote is that the poker face about his read on me slipped so quickly, unless I just misunderstood his post.

Of the unpaired gents so far, I'd most like to see Spiffeh, LavorManos and STD paired.

RCE and Fireisred at the bottom. I don't know what to do with RH9.

im a lady!

why do you townread spiffeh?

Extreme mind meld last night a la the first and so far only towngame I think I've played with Spiffeh is where it started. His ISO feels so pure. Which is not a word I use to describe my reads, but it applies here.

What are you trying to accomplish in this discussion?

Nope.
Doesn’t look like they’ve ever been scum before.

I hope you remember that I have a gigawatt townread on HST.

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I'm going to be around today rereading, but probably won't post much until tonight, maybe. Data acquisition last night wasn't great, but it was good.

It's irrelevant what your read of them is. Except in terms of what it says about your alignment.
I recall you taking this tact the last time I saw you posting as scum.
I wonder if you'd remember and still do that anyway. It seems like a mistake.

Then again, people say the same stuff as either alignment.

Bell, If I'm scum, then I'm anti-spewing. If I'm town, then you will know that before my read matters, and you may know enough else by then to trust I'm right about my HST read, or you may have gotten to that conclusion on your own.

I’m sorry for being an asshole.

Keep your scumread. Leave me alone, stop distracting me and let me do my thing.

Sure thing. Apologies if I’m wrong. I do take responsibility for me reads. I’m surprised you don’t know that.

I do know that. What I don't fully trust is that you'll take in the proven misread and making it a pivot point on your other reads.

Idk much about dance games but I’d like to think that scum would aim for people who aren’t volatile and leave the dance under a tiniest of pressure.

Do you see pairings that fit this?

So much mindmeld with you Spiffeh.

Why are you in the middle of my reads?

a couple of your posts felt ~convenient~.

You've half-heartedly walked your read back on me but haven't slam-dunked me. I feel like you KNOW how I'm going to flip and don't want to be

too

wrong. Just wrong enough to be able to stand aside and let others do the slam-dunking.

But why? it's day one. A gigawatt read day one on a player that is not me is probably a horrific idea. Do you have a certain tell or something that meets a high probability of accuracy? Are you alt guessing on HST and then using that data to sort?
The confidence doesn't make sense.

Did you answer this question FF?

I’m trying to emotionally process and what you’re saying. But it will be a little bit.

I know. And I've known other alts, of the main, too. For me, it's one of the easiest solid townreads on site. When not town, it's a read I waffle on forever. Sort of like I did on you in smoke-filled. One of these days I'm going to internalize that there are certain players who if I waffle, they're scum.

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?

While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.

It's a read based on HST's main. The humor and quirks are there as either alignment but they feel much more carefree as town. The energy tends to fade some when scum IME. HST is keeping up well with a fairly fast moving thread, and the reads and the presence of an early reaction test is also town indicative.

My one very small reservation here is that HST usually holds off stating a read on me for a while is because he starts from a place of suspicion, and watches my body of work until he's sure. I feel extremely obvious town to players who know me well, so it's not totally outside the envelope of his townplay around me specifically. It's one footnote on a townread.

Weighing.

[Bell]

oh sorry, well, it makes even more sense no? Like, yeah maybe me + spiffeh can be seen as going deep somewhat reliably, but me pocketing him, even when coached by 2-3 people is a tall order, while HST already has some of the tools required

Correct. Albeit, not pocketed.

[Gypyx]

not calling u pocketed dw

[Bell]

You actually are lol.

[Spiffeh]

I’ll be here tomorrow bc my headache is killing me

But I’ll just say that I need to start everything over because I was dead-on wrong for literally everything this game, with LLD flipping scum (one of my strongest townread) and skitter flipping town (had a terrible rxn to our Gypyx vote, will explain tomorrow), and the rxn test was for me to confirm my locktown read on y’all (and secretly Bell’s, will explain tomorrow)

I hope you feel better!

I am very interested in all of this information so I will await your return with bated breath.

My plan is to ISO both HST and Gypyx and reread Second Dance all within the next ~48 hours. Let's see if I actually do any of that.

[Gypyx]

You actually are lol.

if affinity is what you call a pocket then sure

[Spiffeh]

I will admit the HST gigawatt townread from ffery is something I forgot about, not sure how much weight I should put on that

[Bell]

You actually are lol.

if affinity is what you call a pocket then sure

Please read your own post, lol.

[Gypyx]

You actually are lol.

if affinity is what you call a pocket then sure

Please read your own post, lol.

well sorry to have made you acknowledge your inherent emotional biases that come with being a human being

[Bell]

You had to acknowledge it first! You had to acknowledge that you were saying I was more likely to be buddied by HST than you were to succeed at buddying Spiffeh with Cabd *and* LLD coaching you!

[Gypyx]

You had to acknowledge it first! You had to acknowledge that you were saying I was more likely to be buddied by HST than you were to succeed at buddying Spiffeh with Cabd *and* LLD coaching you!

i don't understeand what you're saying now

[Bell]

In addition! In addition!
You denied that you said I was pocketed which means, which means! You made me acknowledge nothing because you said you didn’t say that!
The nerve!

Hmph.

[Bell]

I’m just having fun.

[Gypyx]

i feel like a boomer facing gen alpha slang rn

pedit : oh ok

[Bell]

So what’re your plans for elo gyphx?

[Gypyx]

So what’re your plans for elo gyphx?

right now i've got other stuff on my hands so fluffposting really, i'll probably think about what i wanna read into tommorow

i also hate writing big stuff so hopefully i won't have to do that