Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[hellbooks]

the twists are endless

[fireisredsir]

WHAT

[hellbooks]

what

[Ranger]

that doesn't make sense gamestate wise. If scum I would go for the easy lim instead of doing all this god forsaken work.

Your slot was an elimination candidate before you replaced in. By default, that requires doing "this godforsaken" work.

A part of my scumread on you is the feeling you're doing the bare minimum to shake off the scumread on your slot, rather than genuinely trying to solve.

also I would be more interested in your analysis of the vote count before we replaced in.

My thoughts are reflected in the readslists for the pages. If you have questions about them, you're free to ask.

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ranger

[fireisredsir]

there are lots of ways, why

Got the feeling you and fire employ more "directly convince people" over "force people to compromise" and was hoping to use rhetorical techniques to make the point that we're specialized in the opposite hit harder

i think im more often not the directly convince people as scum type

i still don't really get it though, it seems like you are making the argument that this has relevance to your alignment in this game, but i don't follow why

[hellbooks]

so what now
what happens now
do the scum all walk out of the shadows and give me a medal for best guy

[usesPython]

there are lots of ways, why

Got the feeling you and fire employ more "directly convince people" over "force people to compromise" and was hoping to use rhetorical techniques to make the point that we're specialized in the opposite hit harder

i think im more often not the directly convince people as scum type

i still don't really get it though, it seems like you are making the argument that this has relevance to your alignment in this game, but i don't follow why

i have been noticing more and more as a pattern lately that scum have a tendency to believe that town people's reads are more locked in than they actually are

it's a counterpoint to this

[Dannflor]

i feel like im losing the plot a little bit

the original point is like, why are you specifically taking Ranger off the table for today?

[Dannflor]

and you say it's like, because you don't have the numbers

but like, certainly you have more numbers for that than for tris??

[Dannflor]

so it just feels like your logic is more rooted in how you think you will appear than any actual reality of the game

[Ranger]

if it helps
I think there's a recent pattern in my scum vs. town games where I tend to start my town games pretty reserved specifically because I think that's the best way to form better reads (basically by pretending im more of a spectator)
And in my scum games I tend to start out more proactive because that's the best way to get thread cred
of course now that I have mentioned that and made it clear I'm aware of that meta difference it is possible I just manipulated that just for this game but yknow whatever

I agree with this characterization, including how your awareness of it means you're skilled enough to manipulate it.

[usesPython]

i feel like im losing the plot a little bit

the original point is like, why are you specifically taking Ranger off the table for today?

If Ranger is town I don't want her dead

If Ranger is scum then it's impossible to lim her without scum bussing with the current Python wagon, which scum have shown they wont do

Therefore a useful Ranger lim is impossible

[Ranger]

uhm im not exceptionally town reading Ranger's catch up

Fortunately, you don't need to townread me to work with me.

May I interest you in voting any of {Black, tris, Political Clout}?

[Dannflor]

so, by that logic, you would like to kill the least useful town player?

[fireisredsir]

why do you believe scum have shown they won't bus

[usesPython]

and you say it's like, because you don't have the numbers

but like, certainly you have more numbers for that than for tris??

We've got Ranger/Python/Jupiter? as reliable votes for tris

Black/PC is close but PC's a pretty notorious tunneler and we don't have the clout necessary with Black to eek out the vote there

hellbooks is a maybe as a compromise vote

Dann/fire/tris vote Python over tris here

[usesPython]

why do you believe scum have shown they won't bus

We are actively being wagoned with less than 24 hours on the clock, that's how we know

[fireisredsir]

i thought you said it was likely a town driven wagon

[Ranger]

I'll say you're probably never going to top town or top scum for the exact same reason; fear.

I don't believe fear has ever stopped you forming a confident read on me before. What is different about my play this game?

Perhaps fear was the wrong word to use. Healthy caution/paranoia would perhaps be better. If you had spent all of D1 hard-tunneling a slot and being wrong in your last game which ended in a loss, does it not affect your next game with them?

I don't want to not learn; I also don't want to overcompensate. So there's a hesitation to make judgements I otherwise would be inclined to make.

[Dannflor]

feel like we're talking in circles and it's because your logic is circular

[fireisredsir]

who do you think is scum python

[usesPython]

i thought you said it was likely a town driven wagon

Completely irrelevant since then scum can actively bus and still not get a scum lim through

[usesPython]

who do you think is scum python

pre replacements in JV/Roden/tris/jupiter

post replacements tris still stays in and we've been too busy trying to not die to analyze the newer posts

[fireisredsir]

i thought you said it was likely a town driven wagon

Completely irrelevant since then scum can actively bus and still not get a scum lim through

its completely relevant because you were including scum not bussing as an assumption for your calculations of whether a lim on scum could go through ???

if fypov as town you are being wagoned by town and scum are offwagon bussing, then if town switches then scum lim can go through