In post 74, davesaz wrote:
I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.
It has two concerns with this post, both stemming from an assumption this is directed at it and it's post talking about you.
Firstly, it wants to allow for others to understand it and how it speaks. If it is not being understood, that is concerning for it. It can try its best to help you, but it speaks as it is because it is who it is.
Secondly, it wonders, perhaps from a place of deeper paranoia, if this isn't intended to discredit what we've said or choose not to engage with our concerns with you. It feels like you could likely erase those concerns by answering our questions we directed towards you, but for the moment we are a little... put off by this.
I had a similar moment before remembering that's kind of just how dave speaks, I don't think 1) he intended to discredit there, 2) he's naive enough to assume that post would discredit it
It is interested in the why behind this statement, if you could indulge it?
I wanted to move my vote off of you because I liked your opening.
It, uh, understood that much from context. Perhaps it should have been more clear, can you explain what it was about its opening that you liked?
For the sake of full transparency, it is attempting to build a mental model of you as a player to be able to determine if and when you become different and interrogate those moments. It plans to try and do this for all those in this game it can, but it has a particular interest in why people decide to see it as town, because it has a fear of the feelings of InGroup and Belonging that can come with that declaration.
As a fact, just hearing that you viewed me positively, it could feel its own desire to work with you sliding up, so it is using this as an attempt to counterbalance against that, if that is okay?
OK. I agree with your early draft analysis, and you gave reasoning for picking your number.
In post 17, davesaz wrote:
I think reading too much into the draft would be a mistake. You have to go pretty deep into my history, given it's been ages since I played this (modded it a lot), but it will be clear I've always had this position.
It is of the opinion that this is a very defensive post that doesn't seem to have a prediction for how on guard it is. Yes, can you explain to it why you felt the need to bring up and defend yourself from an attack that hasn't even been levied?
Further, it thinks that the major element of this game is draft speculation and reading into player mentality for the choices that are made. Why shut that down?
There is a difference between using draft information as just information, and using it to predict alignments or team composition in the absence of other more important things like the actual posts and votes in the game. In prior games of this family of setups, I have seen players say things like "x and y can't possibly be scum together because they picked the same number", where in fact scum who are very confident in their discussion abilities might actually choose the same number specifically to be ruled out as teammates. Separately, the concept that x and y are more likely to be s/t than t/t picking the same number is also dangerous, as it is no more or less likely that scum would want to keep a PR out of town's hands than it is that two town really want a PR.
So I strongly recommend thinking first about what people say. That doesn't mean that the draft numbers should be ignored, I just don't think they're the first or only way to sort people.
Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?
