Open 905: Pick Your Power X/Y S/S [game over!]

[PenguinPower]

Not too late if we are on the same flight but I haven't been to Dulles since 2021 or 2022

Dulles is the dope one with the magic things that are like untrackd trolleys right

Yep.

[the worst]

I think reading too much into the draft would be a mistake. You have to go pretty deep into my history, given it's been ages since I played this (modded it a lot), but it will be clear I've always had this position.

It is of the opinion that this is a very defensive post that doesn't seem to have a prediction for how on guard it is. Yes, can you explain to it why you felt the need to bring up and defend yourself from an attack that hasn't even been levied?

Further, it thinks that the major element of this game is draft speculation and reading into player mentality for the choices that are made. Why shut that down?

There is a difference between using draft information as just information, and using it to predict alignments or team composition in the absence of other more important things like the actual posts and votes in the game. In prior games of this family of setups, I have seen players say things like "x and y can't possibly be scum together because they picked the same number", where in fact scum who are very confident in their discussion abilities might actually choose the same number specifically to be ruled out as teammates. Separately, the concept that x and y are more likely to be s/t than t/t picking the same number is also dangerous, as it is no more or less likely that scum would want to keep a PR out of town's hands than it is that two town really want a PR.

So I strongly recommend thinking first about what people say. That doesn't mean that the draft numbers should be ignored, I just don't think they're the first or only way to sort people.

Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?

This is p tangential but I do think the informed modifier increases the value of tanking the draft like, a certain %, so speculation is a lil more interesting than in the original pypx/y

not sure how many times this exact set-up has been run

[May]

Hell yeah

@pp

[PenguinPower]

the worst do u want to be a mason, penguinpower wants u in the club

absolutely not ive got my own masonry going

It’s called the scum PT isn’t it?

Why do you have to do this to me ducky?!

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ducky

[the worst]

If you don't love me my the worst you won't see me my the best

this is where I'm at but I've never posted as the best

[the worst]

the worst do u want to be a mason, penguinpower wants u in the club

absolutely not ive got my own masonry going

It’s called the scum PT isn’t it?

Why do you have to do this to me ducky?!

the world is a cruel cruel place!!

[PenguinPower]

Because I am best bird.

[davesaz]

Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?

The point is that they could, not that they will. Whether they have or not is immaterial, gambler's fallacy.

[the worst]

I think I trend slightly towards liking PP voting me after May's objectively funny gotcha moment

[PenguinPower]

I’m voting you because you refused to join the masonry.

[davesaz]

I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

It has two concerns with this post, both stemming from an assumption this is directed at it and it's post talking about you.

Firstly, it wants to allow for others to understand it and how it speaks. If it is not being understood, that is concerning for it. It can try its best to help you, but it speaks as it is because it is who it is.

Secondly, it wonders, perhaps from a place of deeper paranoia, if this isn't intended to discredit what we've said or choose not to engage with our concerns with you. It feels like you could likely erase those concerns by answering our questions we directed towards you, but for the moment we are a little... put off by this.

I had a similar moment before remembering that's kind of just how dave speaks, I don't think 1) he intended to discredit there, 2) he's naive enough to assume that post would discredit it

74 was not influenced or prompted by any specific previous post.

[Firebringer]

Penguin i have work travel planned out for all of next month. WHY THEY DO THIS TO ME

[Firebringer]

the world is a cruel cruel place!!

and ur the worst

[Oblivion]

Can you show an example of two mafia picking the same draft number in a previous version of this setup?

The point is that they could, not that they will. Whether they have or not is immaterial, gambler's fallacy.

This is a game of "could"s, though. Determining what is more likely and staking your moves on that, then adapting with new information is the entire methodology of the game.

Simply stating that because somehting "could" happen that we shouldn't act upon the idea that it is unlikely and attempt to solve with a mentality in mind feels reductive and dismissive, to it.

It thinks there is a good line of reasoning and ability to choose where to look first in the logic it has presented. It even stated that it wasn't willing to say it was a certainty, and yet here we are discussing in a circle about "if something IS possible then we should consider both worlds" instead of hedging and using logic to try and eliminate worlds until proven otherwise.

[PenguinPower]

Penguin i have work travel planned out for all of next month. WHY THEY DO THIS TO ME

To make you do buissness work

[May]

Pp didn't vote me because I am in the masonry and eating his Doritos on the couch but I'm using such a large tv tray and them vacuuming the couch afterwards even though there's no crumbs and it just seems so respectful even though he even asked to go halfsies on the Doritos and I said "I wouldn't eat them"

[May]

We should find scum instead of analysing Datisi's bad mafia setup

[May]

This is hypocritical because I analyzed the second best bird's draft numbe

[May]

Hypocrisy is girlboss

[PenguinPower]

Alright. Back later. This flightless bird must go into airplane mode and take flight.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok I'm gonna play some mafia. Worst is scum

Are you a May that I know of?

[gob]

I can see a headache coming in this game from trying to read words that don't fit my language map.

Davesaz just admitted theyre wolfing everyone

why aren't u voting dave

Who i vote is of no concern to you. Don't question my actions ever again.

[gob]

Hypocrisy is girlboss

I agree.

[May]

davesaz and yesiree also less likely to be w/w than fire and brian

But actually not… because Fire would ssy something everytime regardless of alignment. So nevermind.

All those people who voted without saying shit r on the same tier. I think May’s vote is the worst though, because i can see Fire and Dave noth making naked votes (no explanations) as town.

This is good analysis. I think last time I naked voted I was mafia.

Maybe this game since claiming scum annoys with people I will just case myself all game but then insist I'm town

I'm a firm believer that memes improve town EV, just like a water stone improves a city Eevee, and unlike the way a thunder stone ruins one