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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"
yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushes against who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 kill and thus a waste of threadspace to push lolretired
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Why would scum!JV be panicking here?In post 473, Titus wrote:
Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.In post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup-
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Ok, response attempt 2.In post 452, ketchup777 wrote:
Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.In post 450, JacksonVirgo wrote:
It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out.In post 441, ketchup777 wrote: It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference.I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.
In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy.So it's essentially NAI in your head andyet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots?Assuming a traitor before anything elseand then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought andthis is a consistent behaviour with you this game.
Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game
Whether you scumread me or whether you're mafia, you're tunneling me. If you think it's justified, sure you do you (you're wrong tho). But you can't deny you're tunneling me.
Feels like you've got one theory (I'm mafia) and morphing everything to it. I think confbiasing is the appropriate term?
This is true. But the 'unsorted' category was more of a 'not a clue' category, so I have slightly more reasons to put you as mafia than as town, hence the 'top suspects' list which was maybe a bit of a misnomer.
Last time I was only able to really catch OutWorldEr by the fact that he had to be scum in every possible scenario. Obviously there are wayyyyy too many other possible scenarios right now, but, yes, I have 2 theories right now and you're scum in both of them. That's more than 'unsorted'.
I stole the idea off somebody else. Why not go after them?
I thought you said lots of my posts had been townie by tone...(Yes this one's a weak point on my end)
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He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum readIn post 355, Doctor Drew wrote:Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy
I don't think Lap is scum here-
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Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum readIn post 479, Hu Tao wrote:
He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum readIn post 355, Doctor Drew wrote:Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy
I don't think Lap is scum here-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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there's been some level of suspicion tossed around for their approach so far from a few peopleIn post 477, Black wrote:
Why would scum!JV be panicking here?In post 473, Titus wrote:
Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.In post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup
I wouldn't call it panicking though but rather just logical inconsistency.
do you think what they're saying about ketchup is reasonable? Do you think what I'm saying wrt ketchups overall play makes ketchup town, or what?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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Agreed! I feel the same wayIn post 397, Black wrote:In post 318, Hu Tao wrote:
I think you're scum so far. You seem different even in the limited postsIn post 280, Laplacian wrote: also are we still RVS shitposting or is it tryhard time? want to check before I reread the thread
Not liking this response from Laplacian. It feels like he could be trying to get her off of him by saying she's townieIn post 320, Laplacian wrote:
Yeah, its because I'm not socialist posting like last day 1. You seem townier than last few games thoIn post 318, Hu Tao wrote:
I think you're scum so far. You seem different even in the limited postsIn post 280, Laplacian wrote: also are we still RVS shitposting or is it tryhard time? want to check before I reread the thread-
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In post 475, DkKoba wrote: the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"
yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushesagainst who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 killand thus a waste of threadspace to push lolI don't wanna dieeee ):-
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ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignmentretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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too bad its for the good of the people (im the people)In post 483, ketchup777 wrote:In post 475, DkKoba wrote: the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"
yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushesagainst who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 killand thus a waste of threadspace to push lolI don't wanna dieeee ):retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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I think voting the Miller is probably not the playIn post 425, usesPython wrote:
VOTE: KobaIn post 422, DkKoba wrote:
no thats a lie you had literally been one of the few to discredit me shortly after the miller claimIn post 21, usesPython wrote:koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad
It's literally a page 1 vibecheck, feels like you're twisting yourself into circles to scumread us-
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ooooh sounds goodIn post 484, DkKoba wrote: ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment-
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Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early-
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In post 478, ketchup777 wrote:
Ok, response attempt 2.In post 452, ketchup777 wrote:
Being in my 'top wolf pile' shouldn't be too scary. You've seen how wrong I was on some people in the early days last time.In post 450, JacksonVirgo wrote:
It should feel like I'm doing that, because I am. I am seeing discrepancies in your play and I am calling them out.In post 441, ketchup777 wrote: It feels like you're attacking small inconsistencies in specifically my posts, and I think you're tunneling. Whether that's scum or bad play I'm not sure, but between the traitor!Jackson theory and the mafia!Jackson+Ranger theories you can stay at the top for now.I'm not tunnelled, I scum-read you and there's a massive difference.I've seen many posts of yours that I would deem townie purely by tone but that does not outweigh the reasons I'm scum-reading you by any degree so I'm not harping on about them.
In your head, you cannot seem to see if my play is townie or scummy.So it's essentially NAI in your head andyet I'm in your top wolf pile because of random tinfoil theories you have with me and other slots?Assuming a traitor before anything elseand then throwing me in a scum pool because of it. Right around the time people started pivoting to throwing my name out (and Blacks for that matter), and after you said you had nothing so you seem to be wanting to scum-read me but have nothing because you need to stay consistent and this is what you come up with. It doesn't feel like a genuine thought andthis is a consistent behaviour with you this game.
Your playstyle is similar to last time, but I have probably been biased by your being on me. The fact that I am town is info to me that I will use to help base my reads, but I'll try to avoid saying it as much this game
Whether you scumread me or whether you're mafia, you're tunneling me. If you think it's justified, sure you do you (you're wrong tho). But you can't deny you're tunneling me.
Feels like you've got one theory (I'm mafia) and morphing everything to it. I think confbiasing is the appropriate term?
This is true. But the 'unsorted' category was more of a 'not a clue' category, so I have slightly more reasons to put you as mafia than as town, hence the 'top suspects' list which was maybe a bit of a misnomer.
Last time I was only able to really catch OutWorldEr by the fact that he had to be scum in every possible scenario. Obviously there are wayyyyy too many other possible scenarios right now, but, yes, I have 2 theories right now and you're scum in both of them. That's more than 'unsorted'.
I stole the idea off somebody else. Why not go after them?
I thought you said lots of my posts had been townie by tone...(Yes this one's a weak point on my end)
pedit: didn't read any of the posts made after writing thisWhat do you consider the difference? It's easy to label something as a tunnel when you don't like it. Do that for me.
I've been trying to sort you, seeing scummy things from you that outweight the townie things and thus came to the conclusion you're a wolf. Conf-biasing would be the term if I were conf-biasing which I am not doing, the game is still fresh and I'm making my arguments only for you to immediately try and discount them by labelling them as a tunnel or conf-bias instead of actually acknowledging them.
I will come back to this
Give me your whole scum tier, in order and with reasoning for each even if massively simplified.
Because I'm talking about YOUR reads dude, I don't care who came up with them. You're utilising them to the highest degree
I did because it's true, what does that have to do with what I said there?-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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if i understand correctly, one parity cops someone they think will die night 1 so it turns into a regular cop after that, or at least has a strong belief if it turns up with "same alignment" it is likely to be both town. so yes, one prefers to target a town first with it.In post 480, ketchup777 wrote:
Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum readIn post 479, Hu Tao wrote:
He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum readIn post 355, Doctor Drew wrote:Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy
I don't think Lap is scum hereretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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I'm barely being pressured lmfao, if you think this is going to break me then you're insulting my skillIn post 481, DkKoba wrote:
there's been some level of suspicion tossed around for their approach so far from a few peopleIn post 477, Black wrote:
Why would scum!JV be panicking here?In post 473, Titus wrote:
Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.In post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup
I wouldn't call it panicking though but rather just logical inconsistency.
do you think what they're saying about ketchup is reasonable? Do you think what I'm saying wrt ketchups overall play makes ketchup town, or what?-
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In post 446, ketchup777 wrote:
You're tunneling on the wrong person again. I promise.In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup-
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lucky i got 7-shot bulletproof rightIn post 485, DkKoba wrote:
too bad its for the good of the people (im the people)In post 483, ketchup777 wrote:In post 475, DkKoba wrote: the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"
yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushesagainst who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 killand thus a waste of threadspace to push lolI don't wanna dieeee ):-
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What part of what I'm doing is even remotely inconsistent? What kind of asspull is that-
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BANGER POSTIn post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup-
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i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)In post 488, Hu Tao wrote: Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that earlyretired
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"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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THANK YOUIn post 495, Hu Tao wrote:
BANGER POSTIn post 449, ketchup777 wrote:
You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.In post 444, JacksonVirgo wrote: If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup-
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Cause it was 3 people. I'd assume you'd go for all 3 town. But I could be wrong. I've never been one beforeIn post 480, ketchup777 wrote:
Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum readIn post 479, Hu Tao wrote:
He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum readIn post 355, Doctor Drew wrote:Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy
I don't think Lap is scum here-
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Ahh okok i'm with youIn post 498, Hu Tao wrote:
Cause it was 3 people. I'd assume you'd go for all 3 town. But I could be wrong. I've never been one beforeIn post 480, ketchup777 wrote:
Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum readIn post 479, Hu Tao wrote:
He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum readIn post 355, Doctor Drew wrote:Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy
I don't think Lap is scum here
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