Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia II {Game Over!}

[doctor no]

/confirmazor

[hp [leaves]]

/confirm

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

It is now Day 1. With 25 alive, 13 is the majority!

Deadline is 3:00 PM EST on Monday, February 2nd, 2009.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Send: SlySly

- Scum once, scum always.

Send: DGB

- Do I have to have a reason?

[Lowell]

I am a

miller

. Discuss.

send: freeko

send: narsis

[CounselWolf]

Send: Narsis

- This is your "Get Out of Jail NOW!" card speaking.

Send: doctor no

- You deleted some of the lines from "You Know My Name".

[Seraphim]

Random sending, unlike in other Mafia games, is utterly and completely pointless in this one. So, I'm ending the random sending phase.

First of all if you haven't read PD1, I would suggest reading the game, and at the very least, read the roles. The Mafia in particular had some interesting roles, so I would suggest giving it a look.

Secondly, we need to decide what the overall goal when we send people to prison are. There are four possibilities that have been pointed out before that we have to choose from:

1. Send two random people to prison

2. Send two scummy players to prison

3. Send two townish people to prison.

4. Send a town and a scum into prison

I'll have a list comprising all the pros and cons when we have more time. But, really, I think choosing one of these right now is probably a lot more important than fishing for reactions(which is all the random voting stage is). The town needs a course of action so that when we figure who exactly is scummy, we can decide the best course of action.

@Lowell

So, you're a Miller? Interesting. Your claim is noted. We'll keep it in mind as we watch you play. Claiming miller can be a good thing for the town. It doesn't make you unlynchable by any stretch of the imagination. If you act scummy, we will lynch you, regardless of your claim. However, you have done nothing to attract any attention besides this.

And...

Hi DGB! This is makes three games I'm in with you now.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Random sending, unlike in other Mafia games, is utterly and completely pointless in this one. So, I'm ending the random sending phase.

Point taken. However, I don't remember voting on you being the cruise director, so maybe you should not impose your will on the rest of us just yet. And then there's this point...

First of all if you haven't read PD1, I would suggest reading the game, and at the very least, read the roles. The Mafia in particular had some interesting roles, so I would suggest giving it a look.

Secondly, we need to decide what the overall goal when we send people to prison are. There are four possibilities that have been pointed out before that we have to choose from:

1. Send two random people to prison

2. Send two scummy players to prison

3. Send two townish people to prison.

4. Send a town and a scum into prison

I'll have a list comprising all the pros and cons when we have more time. But, really, I think choosing one of these right now is probably a lot more important than fishing for reactions(which is all the random voting stage is). The town needs a course of action

so that when we figure who exactly is scummy

, we can decide the best course of action.

how do you intend on figuring out who's scummy and who's not if you circumvent the normal intro mechanics? What's wrong with the Random Voting Phase to determine who's scummy and who's not? I agree a plan entailing who to send to prison is fine and correct, but we also have to get reactions from people so that we know, when we figure out if we're sending town or scum,

who is town and who is scum

. We can't do one without the other. Especially since Day 1 has a fixed deadline. We have to do both at the same time.

[Lowell]

I agree with Vel on random voting and am put off by seraphim's use of the royal "we".

Second post of the game claim. Is that a record? Do I win something?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi DGB! This is makes three games I'm in with you now.

Send: Seraphim

ahahhahaa I couldn't resist.

[Narsis]

I am a

miller

. Discuss.

send: freeko

send: narsis

Send: Narsis

- This is your "Get Out of Jail NOW!" card speaking.

Send: doctor no

- You deleted some of the lines from "You Know My Name".

:O

Send: Lowell

Send: CounselWolf

OMGUS FTW! (on a side note: one of my pet peeves is people voting without saying why. every vote, even the random ones, has a reason behind it so share it.)

[DrippingGoofball]

I am a

miller

. Discuss.

send: freeko

send: narsis

Send: Narsis

- This is your "Get Out of Jail NOW!" card speaking.

Send: doctor no

- You deleted some of the lines from "You Know My Name".

:O

Send: Lowell

Send: CounselWolf

OMGUS FTW! (on a side note: one of my pet peeves is people voting without saying why. every vote, even the random ones, has a reason behind it so share it.)

Send: Narsis

I won't say why.

[freeko]

I am a

miller

. Discuss.

send: freeko

send: narsis

Way to just come right out and say I am scum so this is why you dont send me to prison for my guilty verdict.

For now I will save you the OMGUS vote since its pretty irrelevant right now. Though I will say its coming. Just not yet.

[CounselWolf]

@Narsis: Your enthusiasm is what earned you my vote. Overzeal = scum.

@DBG: You make me laugh. A ton.

[ortolan]

Send: ortolan

Oh yeah, I went there.

[ortolan]

Random sending, unlike in other Mafia games, is utterly and completely pointless in this one. So, I'm ending the random sending phase.

I don't think this is valid. In normal games when random-voting you never actually intend to lynch anyone by it, it's more for the possibly information gain. This case is the same- we're not actually going to send anyone based on random votes, but we're using the random voting stage in the same way.

[RossWilliam]

Send: Seraphim

He seems to be stepping up as the Prisoner's Dilemma expert so I'd imagine he'd know what to do best

Send: Vel-Rahn Koon

I bet they'd have fun together

I also think that just as important as sending people we know are town or scum is sending people who are predictable. I wouldn't want to send in a confirmed allignment player who was absolutely insane and might make a totally unpredicable descision

[Stephoscope]

Send: Kublai Khan

Because I'm new here, and his sounds like the scariest name to me.

[SlySly]

I am a

miller

.

Are you the Death Miller?

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@Lowell

So, you're a Miller? Interesting. Your claim is noted...However, you have done nothing to attract any attention besides this.

He has had 1 post for a total of 9 words, which included a claim. What else could he have done so far to attract attention?

As for the rest of your post, you make many valid points in your post. I think sending 2 scum is obviously the best choice but sending 2 confirmed townies would be a good thing too.

---------------------------------

He seems to be stepping up as the Prisoner's Dilemma expert so I'd imagine he'd know what to do best

He might have more of a clue than you at this point seeing how he and I were both scum together in the Prisoner's Dilemma mini.

[Narsis]

@Narsis: Your enthusiasm is what earned you my vote. Overzeal = scum.

@DBG: You make me laugh. A ton.

my enthusiasm was before role pm's were sent out. try again.

[Narsis]

I am a

miller

. Discuss.

send: freeko

send: narsis

Send: Narsis

- This is your "Get Out of Jail NOW!" card speaking.

Send: doctor no

- You deleted some of the lines from "You Know My Name".

:O

Send: Lowell

Send: CounselWolf

OMGUS FTW! (on a side note: one of my pet peeves is people voting without saying why. every vote, even the random ones, has a reason behind it so share it.)

Send: Narsis

I won't say why.

grrr...

Unsend: Lowell

Send: DrippingGoofball

[CounselWolf]

As for the rest of your post, you make many valid points in your post. I think sending

2 scum is obviously the best choice

but sending 2 confirmed townies would be a good thing too.

How so? I think it would be a bad choice because they would vote "No" on each other, gaining the Daykill or the Prison Immunity. Not so much. 1 possible scum vs. 1 confirmed townie seems to be most viable.

@Narsis: Doesn't matter when they were sent out, you still creep me out. And you claimed to be evil. You have been weighed and measured.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

I am a

miller

.

Are you the Death Miller?

Why does this sound like you know there's a Death Miller?

[SlySly]

How so?

I understand your concern. Read the mini, I am expecting twists.

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Why does this sound like you know there's a Death Miller?

I don't know if there is one or not. That is why I asked.

[Narsis]

however you said, "are you

the

Death miller?" that assumes you know there is a death miller.