Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

Named Townie is not normal legal unless they changed that in the recent normal rework which is why we didnt use it

He’s saying it acts as one, which it doesn’t.

[usesPython]

Named Townie is not normal legal unless they changed that in the recent normal rework which is why we didnt use it

He’s saying it acts as one, which it doesn’t.

wdym, Enchant slot is functionally a Named Townie in this setup

[ketchup777]

Named Townie is not normal legal unless they changed that in the recent normal rework which is why we didnt use it

He’s saying it acts as one, which it doesn’t.

I’m confused who you’re supporting

[usesPython]

Named Townie is not normal legal unless they changed that in the recent normal rework which is why we didnt use it

me feels something like a Backup Jailkeeper would be a better named townie example

See that would be cool if we thought of that earlier, except we didnt

[ketchup777]

Named Townie is not normal legal unless they changed that in the recent normal rework which is why we didnt use it

me feels something like a Backup Jailkeeper would be a better named townie example

See that would be cool if we thought of that earlier, except we didnt

big oopsie!

python is def scum informed that there is only one VT and slipped massively

maybe

[usesPython]

Ketchup your logic doesn't follow because Enchant being the only VT is public knowledge

[usesPython]

Your argument hinges that we're scum cause informed of VT but what is the meaningful distinction you're making of "Assuming only 1 VT cause of massclaim" vs "Assuming only 1 VT cause informed"

[ketchup777]

Im saying that it wasn’t guaranteed that we would get into a massclaim where Enchant was the only VT. I thought this would be clear, and so you would strive to find some other equivalent role than activated innocent child. Yet you seem to think that Enchant would always be confirmable at some point, which suggests you know something town don’t

[usesPython]

ok that argument makes more sense and idk what to tell you other than that we made the example setup phoneposting in two minutes from memory as an example for illustrative purposes and that sometimes roles don't transfer over perfectly when you're trying to make a quick normal legal setup

[usesPython]

Like yes, Disloyal Cop/Vanilla Cop/Backup Friendly Neighbor would be a more accurate representation of the setup, we just didn't think to make it cause 100% accuracy wasn't what we cared about

[usesPython]

Like our mindset was "Disloyal Cop/Rolecop/Activated IC is kinda townsided but it'd still pass NRG, send it"

[usesPython]

Because the argument wasn't "Is this alternate setup a 1to1 representation of this game" but "Would this game pass balance" which is what we were arguing about

[ketchup777]

Like yes, Disloyal Cop/Vanilla Cop/Backup Friendly Neighbor would be a more accurate representation of the setup, we just didn't think to make it cause 100% accuracy wasn't what we cared about

ok

[ketchup777]

Because the argument wasn't "Is this alternate setup a 1to1 representation of this game" but "Would this game pass balance" which is what we were arguing about

sure I’ll let it go but take 7: Ops on scum being informed?

[usesPython]

Im saying that it wasn’t guaranteed that we would get into a massclaim where Enchant was the only VT. I thought this would be clear, and so you would strive to find some other equivalent role than activated innocent child. Yet you seem to think that Enchant would always be confirmable at some point, which suggests you know something town don’t

Wait no this doesn't make sense, the only way massclaim happens without Enchant being only VT claim is if scum claim VT which for your argument would imply we can't be informed?

[usesPython]

Since you're arguing that scum have to be informed to know to claim VT?

[usesPython]

Which would then cause Enchant to be a Named Townie instead of an IC

[usesPython]

Can you like break down what Informed information would let someone be informed Enchant is always confirmable

[ketchup777]

Im saying that it wasn’t guaranteed that we would get into a massclaim where Enchant was the only VT. I thought this would be clear, and so you would strive to find some other equivalent role than activated innocent child. Yet you seem to think that Enchant would always be confirmable at some point, which suggests you know something town don’t

Wait no this doesn't make sense, the only way massclaim happens without Enchant being only VT claim is if scum claim VT which for your argument would imply we can't be informed?

If you’re town, you would have no way of knowing that Enchant would be equiv to innocent child, as scum might claim VT.

On the flipside, if you’re scum (maybe or maybe not informed that there’s only one VT) you may have already decided that none of you would claim VT, so it would seem more natural to scumslip that Enchant would always be conftown.

Honestly, i expected you to counterattack me by saying that it was unlikely there was an informed scum in the setup. Not this kind of delayed response trying to get out of it, when it shouldn’t be playing on your mind that much… unless you’re desperately trying to get rid of the accusation as scum?

[usesPython]

No we just straight up didn't get the argument being made but we also just spent the past 3 pages arguing past each other until you suddenly made a semi-understandable post so we thought we missed something again

[ketchup777]

Can you like break down what Informed information would let someone be informed Enchant is always confirmable

Being informed that there is only one VT in the setup, combined with agreeing in scum PT that none of you would claim VT, would make it likely there is only one VT claim. You knowingly create an Innocent Child but it might be preferable to creating a pool of claimed VTs to shoot in containing at least 50% mafia

[ketchup777]

No we just straight up didn't get the argument being made but we also just spent the past 3 pages arguing past each other until you suddenly made a semi-understandable post so we thought we missed something again

soz thought I’d been being clear but maybe not

[ketchup777]

Also like being informed there is only one VT is probably combined with being Godfathers. Now the safer claim comes to light: town cop

[usesPython]

Can you like break down what Informed information would let someone be informed Enchant is always confirmable

Being informed that there is only one VT in the setup, combined with agreeing in scum PT that none of you would claim VT, would make it likely there is only one VT claim. You knowingly create an Innocent Child but it might be preferable to creating a pool of claimed VTs to shoot in containing at least 50% mafia

I mean outside of forcing 1v1s the only reason for scum to claim anything but Cop is by accident from not knowing the setup for exactly that reason (creating an IC and then shooting them is better numbers-wise than 50% chance of creating an IC if you lose the 1v1 and 100% chance of dying after that even if you win the 1v1)

[usesPython]

hmm actually yeah I can see how that'd make you think we're informed

UNVOTE: ketchup