Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 1.05

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Kaguya Houraisan, Daiyousei, Eternity Larva

Kaguya Houraisan [2]:

Marisa Kirisame, Ichirin Kumoi

Ichirin Kumoi [2]:

Clownpiece, Koishi Komeiji

Aya Shameimaru [1]:

Yuuka Kazami

Daiyousei [1]:

Kagerou Imaizumi

Clownpiece [1]:

Reisen Udongein Inaba

Not Voting [3]:

Tenshi Hinanawi, Aya Shameimaru, Sanae Kochiya

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-17 19:45:00)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

@Kagerou i know you said reading the thread is difficult right now but i am most interested in your detailed reads on Clownpiece and Sanae when you get around to it

well i'd like to preface my Clownpiece read by the fact that i think i'm just not in a position to push people this game so my plan right now is to be a bit more laid back and act smug about it when she flips scum

firstly, that whole argument about numbers and all just kinda dragged on and on and in the end i don't think we even got anything out of it?

then, i get being curious about account generation, but the fact that :
- she went ahead and went with straight up numbers
- those numbers don't really match up with what other people have been told

makes me seem she was worried about finding something to start things off while also not caring very much about asking

Spoiler:

i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game

I had a town lean on page one, and I that has grown to 4. 4 reads on page 7 seems like a pretty solid pace to me lmao.

Also, unsure what the stopping the game from going forward even means, so :shrug:

I kinda didn't know how to put it into words at the time but like, knowing your exact number of townreads on command is weird

the reaction to Ichirin's reaction was also something that hugely bugged me, to go into reasons :

Spoiler:

I am just confused on why you don't seem interested in determining the alignment of the people who voted you.

You started by saying it was town voting you, I asked why we could not be scum voting you (the full scum team part was a joke, but that was the idea), and you responded by not even knowing who was voting you.

I would expect some level of suspicion from someone who thinks that they are currently in serious danger of being miselimed (which I already felt was an exaggerated response to 3 votes), but you actually seem completely uninterested in your voters for some reason.

Complaining that you aren't getting scrutinized certainely isn't a weird look, and while it's kinda dumb, i feel like if Ichirin called for their agressors to be scum, it would just get called OMGUS?
likewise
i'm also of the opinion that scum often looks more intensely for these sort of low involvement slip rather than town, since like, it's one of the only things town can reasonable do under pressure that is actually scummy

i'll also fully admit that this is hugely a gut read and that i'm proud of it (besides upgrading "i think this is scum" to "i think this is null at best" isn't really game advancing content here)

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As for Sanane, as i've said already, i'm suspicious of her view of Yuuka's claim, , i get she was kinda overblowing here cause blah blah early game we already don't have much info early but that's not really clearing

she's also like really passive? I get not all townies can be at the front of the stage but a lot of her content is "agreeing with other people" and "explaining why she agrees with people"

this is somewhat related but when reading the phrasing of posting, i get huge vibes of "i'm posting for others to look at me in a good light" rather than "i'm posting cause i wanna figure out what's going on"

I’m too lazy to clip quotes. I think the townread number on command bit is the most compelling part of your argument here actually.

But only in a very general sense.

Yes I can see that kind of thing as much more scum indicative than town indicative. Even subconsciously scum are going to have a roadmap of what slots they think they can have miselimmed and it will probably manipulate their pool to townread in some way.

Just…mafia players are a lot more nebulous than that, it may not be as on the nose as that. But I like how you’re using your noodle.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I’ll reread sanae, I remember something they posted and just going yup that’s town.

But I don’t even remember what that was or anything else they’ve said.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I'm town

How very kneejerk of you.

What does this mean

Far as I'm aware you only have like, 2 votes on you? Just seems very odd to blurt this out as soon as more than one person is voting you, in a way I can't particularly describe.

I hope this is some sort of tongue-in-cheek deal.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I’m going to stop promising a reread and instead opt to fly by the seat of my pants for the time being.

I have been successfully pocketed by Marisa, Yuuka, Clownpiece, and Larva.

[Yuuka Kazami]

@Kagerou. Why aren’t you in a position to be aggressive?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

@Kagerou. Why aren’t you in a position to be aggressive?

a mix of my mental state / the path i've chosen to take this game

[Yuuka Kazami]

And what path is that? ~_~

[Yuuka Kazami]

My tension meter is rising and I’m going to have to make a choice on you or explode I suppose.
Maybe both.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

[Daiyousei]

~_~

i knew all those fanworks about yuuka originally being a fairy were accurate!!!! ^_^

[Yuuka Kazami]

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

You get a pass for a day phase, but if you suddenly start pushing near the end of the day and they don’t flip scum I’m tunneling you.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I probably won’t even wait and immediately detail the wagon.

[Daiyousei]

- those numbers don't really match up with what other people have been told

may i request a source on this, please? i remember ichirin pointing out the maths didn't math but then later realizing that the maths actually did math and it's just that the mod weighted things weird @_@

I kinda didn't know how to put it into words at the time but like, knowing your exact number of townreads on command is weird

I’m too lazy to clip quotes. I think the townread number on command bit is the most compelling part of your argument here actually.

But only in a very general sense.

Yes I can see that kind of thing as much more scum indicative than town indicative. Even subconsciously scum are going to have a roadmap of what slots they think they can have miselimmed and it will probably manipulate their pool to townread in some way.

Just…mafia players are a lot more nebulous than that, it may not be as on the nose as that. But I like how you’re using your noodle.

not to answer for piece on this, but with the way i've set up how i'm playing this game to make sure i don't have a sudden out-of-body experience i could very easily produce an exact number of confident townreads instantly if i really wanted to

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

You get a pass for a day phase, but if you suddenly start pushing near the end of the day and they don’t flip scum I’m tunneling you.

it would be so funny if i did

you're really making me wanna do it Yuuka

[Yuuka Kazami]

Go ahead.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

- those numbers don't really match up with what other people have been told

may i request a source on this, please? i remember ichirin pointing out the maths didn't math but then later realizing that the maths actually did math and it's just that the mod weighted things weird @_@

I kinda didn't know how to put it into words at the time but like, knowing your exact number of townreads on command is weird

I’m too lazy to clip quotes. I think the townread number on command bit is the most compelling part of your argument here actually.

But only in a very general sense.

Yes I can see that kind of thing as much more scum indicative than town indicative. Even subconsciously scum are going to have a roadmap of what slots they think they can have miselimmed and it will probably manipulate their pool to townread in some way.

Just…mafia players are a lot more nebulous than that, it may not be as on the nose as that. But I like how you’re using your noodle.

not to answer for piece on this, but with the way i've set up how i'm playing this game to make sure i don't have a sudden out-of-body experience i could very easily produce an exact number of confident townreads instantly if i really wanted to

i'm honestly working off the general memory of no else having received specific numbers, which i agree no one else did / looked into it?

Not to answer for piece but *answers for piece*

nah i'm kinda messing with you will wait for piece's answer before saying more about this though

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Go ahead.

[Clownpiece]

I am not gonna be around, but did have a minute to skim through.

VC 1.05

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Kaguya Houraisan, Daiyousei, Eternity Larva

Kaguya Houraisan [2]:

Marisa Kirisame, Ichirin Kumoi

Ichirin Kumoi [2]:

Clownpiece, Koishi Komeiji

Aya Shameimaru [1]:

Yuuka Kazami

Daiyousei [1]:

Kagerou Imaizumi

Clownpiece [1]:

Reisen Udongein Inaba

Not Voting [3]:

Tenshi Hinanawi, Aya Shameimaru, Sanae Kochiya

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

I think that I am actively against a Kagerou wagon for day 1. They are not trying to fit in, while also not trying to steer us anywhere, and it is just enough for me to want to give them time to cook I guess.

Also, I have experienced being called scum as town for similar reasons to the "is self aware of how many town reads they have" before, which I actually think boils down to the way I exist in the thread, and without doing any actually looking back, I feel like those accusations have generally come from town?

I am not married to them being town, but I feel like I don't want then going over day 1.

fwiw Kagerou, I do not have the number of town reads ready off the top of my head, but my response to seeing someone say I was not solving was an immediate "that feels like an odd characterization of me, as I feel like I actually have more reads then normal for this stage of the game." And once I stopped to think about my reads, it is pretty easy to produce a count of how many town reads I have.

makes me seem she was worried about finding something to start things off while also not caring very much about asking

I actually asked a lot of questions about account/role generation before the game started, and I am still pretty sure that the way I explained it on page 1 was the correct way everything was generated. I actually think that Ichirin (the person who said that my answer was not in line with what the mod asked them about generation) misunderstood the "Mod Choose Randomly For Me" option. I just did not think that it was worth getting further in the weeds on it.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Ahh I didn’t even connect that her role name was your account name!

Did anyone else find this post sounded somewhat artificial?

[Clownpiece]

But basically, when we joined we had the option of "mod please pick for me" and "here are my 3 picks"

Ichirin thought that the "mod please pick for me" option would have made the odds basically unknowable, but the thing is I

Actually chose that option

, and the result was that the mod gave me 3 random picks, with a picture and a 1 line description. and told me to sort them.

So either path resulted in a ranked list of 3.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I also agree with Clownpiece's stance on Kagerou, I think their approach to this game would be an incredibly strange choice for scum to make, but it' not totally out of the realm of suspicion. I would rather not eliminate them, and I only townread one of the three wagon constituents.

[Clownpiece]

I would also say that I don't think that I am the one who drug out the discussion on the topic.

I wrote post 20 to be very precise, to state that I got my numbers from the mod, and to welcome everyone to double check my numbers with the mod, because I thought including all of that would make it NOT be a continued discussion.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: ichirin

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I forget who originally accused you of that but I also found that strange- I felt people wondering about MY questions were what dragged things out, but everyone seemed to direct it at you instead.