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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:03 am

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Okay guys

I know mech can be hard. But If we have a voteless phase, might as well use it. So here's a rundown of how we should be using this phase:

1. We should assume most dreams give a mildly useful invention to a random player. This is based on Miscummer Night's Dream I, where most dreams awarded 1-shot abilities (for example a 1-shot BP, 1-shot vig, etc.). Yes it can give these inventions to scum but assuming they resolve at the beginning of the night phase then if we mislim a townie the inventions have 75% chance to go to town and only 25% to go to scum (for N1, obviously. The percentages change on later days).

2. What utility does "Slide" give? Slide gives the following utility: Assuming there's collective agreement to collapse on someone who'd normally be hammered, it prevents quickhammers on claimed PR (probably not very useful D1 because scum are unlikely to quickhammer a claimed PR on Day 1 since that's a bad trade). I guess it adds 3 days to the deadline which means more discussion time, but IMO that's neutral or even NEGATIVE utility (explained in the bottom of the post becuase it's subjective and not objective).

Now, if you want to avoid Slide happening later and fucking things up, what should you do? Simple! Don't vote for it and the mods will REMOVE IT FROM THE POOL. Ideally we should aim for an invention or some sort of info drop or NK prevention if that exists.

Also, if we are not happy with the top pick, it's FINE because it gets revealed and we can always pick another option. That's what the dreamer is for.

In conclusion
: If you prefer quickhammer protection (extremely niche) and 3 extra days of discussion to a 75% chance to get something like a vig/BP, or even a neighborhood, vote slide. If you prefer neighborhood or 1-shot ability, vote anything but Slide.


Why is more days negative utility? Because longer deadlines make towns apathetic and give scum more elbow room to do their stuff (scum is being wagoned 2 days to deadline - plausibly gets hammered. Scum gets wagoned 5 days to deadline - scummates say "there's so much time, don't hammer yet!!!" and then a counterwagon forms or something because people get bored of the wagon).
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:04 am

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In post 417, Gimli wrote: DE is locktown and haters are gonna deal with it
Curious what prompted this btw
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:05 am

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In post 426, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 417, Gimli wrote: DE is locktown and haters are gonna deal with it
Curious what prompted this btw
well, I finally read the setup
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:06 am

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are you reading my posts? I'm calling the slide thing scum motivated. I want everyone on the slide bandwagon flipped. this is how bad I think this is.
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:09 am

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I am reading your posts. I dislike Slide. I just wrote an anti-Slide wallpost.

Are you towning me for being a Slide hater? Because if that's the case that wasn't very clear.
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:10 am

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In post 15, morph the cat wrote: "I lost my job and had to go back to my first job: Pizza Delivery."
btw my bet on this is that it was a Mailman invention.
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:11 am

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In post 429, DragonEater70 wrote: I am reading your posts. I dislike Slide. I just wrote an anti-Slide wallpost.

Are you towning me for being a Slide hater? Because if that's the case that wasn't very clear.
if you were scum, why would be the one caring about slide? to look towny?

don't worry about how I'm reading you. you were right on page 4, stick with it.
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:12 am

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I'm not worrying, I'm just curious.
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:12 am

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Btw I submitted dial, vi, and car seat.
I didn’t sync with Dunn yet but I’m sure he doesn’t mind.
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:16 am

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I only voted for slide
Stay mad I suppose
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:26 am

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In post 434, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I only voted for slide
Stay mad I suppose
its fine its just the most negative utility you could possibly go with your vote

maybe now other people won't do that
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:27 am

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Do NOT link to ANY external medium, especially one that allows comments on a temporary basis, EVER. The next time this occurs we will be locking the game thread and you will be awaiting a modkill.
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:33 am

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In post 395, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 389, Von Payne wrote: We sent in Slide, Protest/glue, and Sheeple

Slide because Drew said he agrees with Klick that we should get it out of the way early, and the other two we just both liked

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If Slide isn't chosen, it can't appear again. So there's no benefit in "getting it out of the way early".
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In post 386, Hu Tao wrote: So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?
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What should I pm?
Did you decide which dreams to vote for?
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:35 am

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Rule 4 of the Game Specific Rules has been revised as follows:


During the Moonrise phase players may begin voting for 3 unique Dreams by sending a PM to the Mods. Players can change their votes as often as they wish. Votes inside the thread can be posted, but the mods will not keep count, nor will any vote in the game thread count towards the result.Ties will be resolved by a non-random mechanic known only to the
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:35 am

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how is voting for the neutral that won't get discarded by wolves negative utility?
If anything, it's safe in the event one has to pick between neutral or bad.

I understand the logic of starting of strong and trying to get 2 good dreams but we only have information for 1/6. That's a 20-40% chance.
I want a 100% chance guarantee that nothing bad will happen. Promoting Slide allows us to get that while also scouting 2nd dream.

Sounds like the safe play to me.
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:35 am

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In post 436, morph the cat wrote:
Do NOT link to ANY external medium, especially one that allows comments on a temporary basis, EVER. The next time this occurs we will be locking the game thread and you will be awaiting a modkill.
sorry sorry sorry :((
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:36 am

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despite my burning desire for the slide i did not vote for the slide. you can thank me.
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:40 am

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Btw I wasn’t keeping track but we should all say our three picks as Gimli said long time ago.
For reasons.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:40 am

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In post 441, Ydrasse wrote: despite my burning desire for the slide i did not vote for the slide. you can thank me.
thank you ydra you just slided to my towncore
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:41 am

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from my pov we have a information for 1/6 dreams and by not promoting it, we are opting to do nothing with that information or not use that information in any way. Will this be a big deal? Who can say. I'm posting hours before its locked in lol.
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:42 am

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I'm also the only person that's blatantly advocating pro-slide so like where is this idea that a pro-slide movement is being suggested by wolves even coming from
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:47 am

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this is trivial to me I want to get to the part where I can vote to kill someone. And no, I don't have someone specifically in mind who's blood I want to drink like fine wine.
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:49 am

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In post 437, Hu Tao wrote: No. I trust you. Which should I do
Dream 1, Dream 3, Dream 6.
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:50 am

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In post 441, Ydrasse wrote: despite my burning desire for the slide i did not vote for the slide. you can thank me.
Thank you!
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:50 am

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In post 445, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I'm also the only person that's blatantly advocating pro-slide so like where is this idea that a pro-slide movement is being suggested by wolves even coming from
I'm kinda confused by that as well

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