Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Sanae Kochiya]

I mean, fair

[Koishi Komeiji]

Other than that, there's not much really to say about it.

[Ichirin Kumoi]

I think I'm gonna take a shower and play Helldivers so I'll see you all either later tonight or tomorrow, assuming 10 pages don't spontaneously manifest again.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

I still think that the 1v1 of Kagerou and Ichirin felt like theater to me.

[Sanae Kochiya]

(and also apparently having a strange Yuuka case)

Something about the way you worded this feels like... off? Can you elaborate, because this sounds like you don't actually care about it, but about how OTHERS perceived it? Do you not have an opinion of your own?

I've literally said I haven't looked at those posts yet, I've only noticed the discussion around the Yuuka one.

Okay, so that was a realistic position for you two hours ago, but why are you not making a point of going back to read? You've made posts since so you HAVE been here?

I hate this post on many levels

Just want to add that this sort of sounds like scum!Koishi talking to town!Ichirin
This feels

very

not SvS to me

[Yuuka Kazami]

I mean, statistically, the chances of that are low.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Other than that, there's not much really to say about it.

I was just sort of thinking that you have a lot of thoughts abt the timing of Yuuka's vote and the fact that it took a while for them to work up to it

[Sanae Kochiya]

I mean, statistically, the chances of that are low.

Which are you responding to?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Theatre.

[Daiyousei]

I'm not sure I see the lying that you see though

this we can work with!

here is kagerou's tenshi vote

here is the post where kagerou says "i'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you" ("you" being me in this case)

i invite you to go through kagerou's iso, starting from the first linked post and ending with the second linked post, and find anything from them that shows any effort to get people's stances on tenshi

if you can't, then there you go, that's the lying! kagerou claimed to be "more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]" but showed precisely no interest in getting those stances in that time frame

i vibe with this. good work!

can you ISO me, CTRL-F "Reisen" and see if you find anything that feels similar?

no lol

[Daiyousei]

(sure, i can do that at some point this evening)

[Daiyousei]

I'm not sure I see the lying that you see though

this we can work with!

here is kagerou's tenshi vote

here is the post where kagerou says "i'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you" ("you" being me in this case)

i invite you to go through kagerou's iso, starting from the first linked post and ending with the second linked post, and find anything from them that shows any effort to get people's stances on tenshi

if you can't, then there you go, that's the lying! kagerou claimed to be "more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]" but showed precisely no interest in getting those stances in that time frame

I guess I don't consider that lying, and that vote is sort of in character with the sort of reasoning/playstyle they've had all game
I think that 'didn't substantiate the 'seeing people's stances'' bit in thread is totally fair, but:

1. I don't think that's lying
2. people do this sort of thing all the time and I don't think it's inherently scummy
3. it's possible there just wasnt' anything interesting in response so they just moved on and/or didn't note anything in thread

I appreciate you spelling it out very clearly and linking the relevant posts though

kagerou: "i am interested in seeing people's stances on tenshi!"
also kagerou: *makes no effort whatsoever to see people's stances on tenshi*

i realize that in gensokyo you can't be held back by common sense but i am legitimately struggling to see how that is anything other than a lie

[Sanae Kochiya]

I think it's possible that they got distracted and/or didn't see anything interesting in the responses so never updated. I don't think it's a lie (which I would count as actively malicious)

[Clownpiece]

Clownpiece how do you feel about Kagerou finally seeming to drop their scum read on you?

And what is your read on them in general?

Their only new statement about me that I saw was to say that if Ichirin is scum, then I (the person who has been beating the "Ichirin is scum" drum the loudest the longest) am probably town. Which seems like a fairly benign take tbh.

I do not have a strong read on them really. I would not want to eliminate them today, but I am not gonna try and save them or anything.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Other than that, there's not much really to say about it.

I was just sort of thinking that you have a lot of thoughts abt the timing of Yuuka's vote and the fact that it took a while for them to work up to it

True? But once again, I'm not saying it's a specifically alignment indicative piece of data, people are assuming that I am.

I'm literally noting ITT how folks behave with their votes.

If I thought that it was specifically scummy, I'd..

A: Say that
and
B: Vote them

[Eternity Larva]

I am not gonna try and save them or anything

cool

VOTE: Kagerou

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

(and also apparently having a strange Yuuka case)

Something about the way you worded this feels like... off? Can you elaborate, because this sounds like you don't actually care about it, but about how OTHERS perceived it? Do you not have an opinion of your own?

I've literally said I haven't looked at those posts yet, I've only noticed the discussion around the Yuuka one.

Okay, so that was a realistic position for you two hours ago, but why are you not making a point of going back to read? You've made posts since so you HAVE been here?

I hate this post on many levels

Just want to add that this sort of sounds like scum!Koishi talking to town!Ichirin
This feels

very

not SvS to me

Is there a chance of the other way around?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Does this feel like theater to anyone else?

I do like you after all.

[Sanae Kochiya]

Oh sorry, that's fair, but I was more wondering if you had any similar thought processes about me

Pedit maybe? It feels more right to me this way around. Either way it's weird and off, and I don't like that Koishi is blaming Ichrin for not having gone back to read, it's weirdly accusatory in an icky way

[Clownpiece]

I'm not sure I see the lying that you see though

this we can work with!

here is kagerou's tenshi vote

here is the post where kagerou says "i'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you" ("you" being me in this case)

i invite you to go through kagerou's iso, starting from the first linked post and ending with the second linked post, and find anything from them that shows any effort to get people's stances on tenshi

if you can't, then there you go, that's the lying! kagerou claimed to be "more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]" but showed precisely no interest in getting those stances in that time frame

I did you one better, and I opened up their iso and searched for "Tenshi" and read every post in order, and was fine with it. I feel like their vote makes sense to me in the context of their reads list that came prior.

The "big crime" you are pointing to seems to be that they did not go out of their way to make the wagon happen, but they were also talking about how they were not trying to lead, so I am not all that surprised that it does not exist.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Oh sorry, that's fair, but I was more wondering if you had any similar thought processes about me

Pedit maybe? It feels more right to me this way around. Either way it's weird and off, and I don't like that Koishi is blaming Ichrin for not having gone back to read, it's weirdly accusatory in an icky way

If it's icky to call out a player calling me their second largest scum read for a case/scenario they have been proven to not even have read, then I will wear that badge with pride.

[Daiyousei]

to be actually serious though i am glad that at least one (1) person read my posts and understood them and agreed with them and i hope the trend continues

I did actually reread it, I’m pondering it

I’m honestly confused what the case on Kagerou is?

the tl;dr of the main thrust of my case at this point is that kagerou voted for you and then observably lied about the justification in a non-town manner

there's been other things of various significances throughout the game but when i go into details everyone's eyes start glazing over

if you have any further questions you are welcome to ask!

*a handful of posts unrelated to my kagerou case*

here is kagerou's tenshi vote

here is the post where kagerou says "i'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you" ("you" being me in this case)

i invite you to go through kagerou's iso, starting from the first linked post and ending with the second linked post, and find anything from them that shows any effort to get people's stances on tenshi

if you can't, then there you go, that's the lying! kagerou claimed to be "more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]" but showed precisely no interest in getting those stances in that time frame

*more posts unrelated to my kagerou case*

tenshi pls

pls

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Okay, I read it and I agree that’s sketchy and I’m sorry it took me so long to parse it I struggle with long walls

Kagerous stance around us has been weird and also I kinda am townreading Dai now?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Re Yuukas vote on Koishi, despite telegraphed, Yuuka was not around until almost an hour after the larva post. I think Koishis point would have more merit if yuuka was actively posting at the time?

I’d also consider where yuuka was voting before larvae’s vote on koichi. As I’d love to put a vote down on koichi but I’ve decided against it since there is more meat in ichirin vs kagerou.

Both can generate their own info I guess but the latter feels more tangible.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Maybe not more tangible but more likely to reach a conclusion that we can draw from.