Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

Ah, eternity,
Sometimes people decide to eliminate someone and have no further questions.

Knowing the difference between a town push and a scum push is real hard though. Honestly you can have scum being super reactionary and being like I don’t know you guys, what if their reaction is town? Hobbley wobbly, and just go somewhere else. Scum and town both have that decision and termination mindset. Albeit each player may have a different system for where that meets.

For example, I do tend to examine player’s reactions more often but not all the time more as scum, because I often times decide earlier who I’m going to eliminate. But there was times when I’m more flexible too, and hiding that is something that’s going to be forefront in decent scum’s mind.


Yes, I am essentially saying the truth is unknowable, despair my pretties.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Less words.

There are town that decide to kill somebody and aren’t looking for reactions and there are scum that decide to kill somebody and are praying that their reactions don’t convince other people to move off of them.

There are also town and scum that are looking for reactions and will improvise.

I dunno which one this is.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

wrong i know the exact truth on everything

[Yuuka Kazami]

wrong i know the exact truth on everything

Scum, kill it.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

wrong i know the exact truth on everything

Scum, kill it.

oops

[Yuuka Kazami]

This is, I think one of the reasons I tend to think Clownpiece is fairly townie for just going for the throat while being mildly offended when anyone implies they aren’t trying to kill the scum.

It’s pitch perfect. No notes.

[Eternity Larva]

hir excitement about Daiyousei's case on me feels forced and exagerrated (sie even proved sie didn't understeand that well what it was about when phrasing stuff as if i was "caught red handed" This is absolutely not what the case is about) sie didn't make an effort to generate any material that's hirs about me, and this extremely contrasts with the content on other slots, way shorter and not that conclusives, this makes me think it's sincere (or like, as sincere as scum can be) but sie chose to push me as a way to save hirself

i should probably do the responsible thing and go back to see where the wagon/public opinion was on Kagerou at the time Ichirin voted there

i looked back and you're correct in your assessment about Ichirin misinterpretting Dai. however based on Ichirin's body of work this game i can see that sie is particularly gifted at putting hir foot in her mouth so i don't necessarily find hir misinterpreting Dai's reasons to be all that scummy. Sie does sprinkle in reasons independent of Dai's ~case~ for scum reading you throughout your interactions (1351, 1354, 1382) so it's a bit of a misrepresentation that hir case on you relied entirely on Dai's reasoning and that she only sheeped a scum read on you without understanding it.

i can see a world where Ichirin continuing to go after you after being informed of the misunderstanding would bother you and make you want to draw attention to hir. it's your call for the 1v1 that feels performative. i take issue in the shift in your posting style from mostly fluff to eviscerating Ichirin at every opportunity. i acknowledge that town can change in this way when going after someone they're confident is scum, but it feels incongruent with what you've explained about Ichirin's catchup that bothered you

[Eternity Larva]

ok i have to actually start working now

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i mean, there's more about Ichirin but these are the points i care about hammering down

[Eternity Larva]

what else is there about Ichirin that i’m missing?

[Eternity Larva]

I have thoughts about eternity and kagerou's conversation, but it seems prudent to let kagerou answer questions before voicing them.

i’m interested in this

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what else is there about Ichirin that i’m missing?

Not really able to deliver on an ordered list cause it's more of an unorganized pile but basically for the stuff that comes to mind

-> The timing of the push is conspicuous, i'll admit that you can also raise this point against me but ichirin basically comes in the thread as sie has 3 votes and it looks pretty realistic for the day to end on hir

-> I'll admit that me calling hir earlier reaction extremely towny was poor choice of words, and it was more like... regular towniness?

-> Hir play is extremely reactive to how the thread angles around her, growing more proactive proportionally to pressure

-> General feelings that are hard to describe, i just don't like how sie describes my reaction as "OMGUS"

[Daiyousei]

I have thoughts about eternity and kagerou's conversation, but it seems prudent to let kagerou answer questions before voicing them.

i’m interested in this

no that's castlevania sotn this is a touhou game

[Daiyousei]

-> I'll admit that me calling hir earlier reaction extremely towny was poor choice of words, and it was more like... regular towniness

what

[Daiyousei]

like

what.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

what what

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

"Yeah ok i was exagerrating my read, it certainely wasn't outside the realm of scuminess"

what's confusing about this

[Daiyousei]

how is that discrepancy chalked up to "a bad choice of words"

like if you genuinely thought at the time "this is pretty regular townie behavior" why would you write out "Ichirin's reaction to the wagon feels extremely towny" and look at that and go "yep people will read this and understand what i mean"

that's not "a bad choice of words"

"a bad choice of words" is using words that can be read multiple different ways, some of which are intended and some of which are not

there is no reasonable way to type "extremely towny" and expect people to conclude that you mean "pretty regular townie"

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

VOTE: Kagerou

[Daiyousei]

feels far more likely that you weren't expecting the current situation at the time of those original ichirin reads and are just making stuff up now that the heat is on in an attempt to turn it off

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i'm starting to get quite pissed off how you're making shitpush after shitpush on me

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

VOTE: Kagerou

<------ Scum is here

like look flip me if you want but you'll have to kill one of Tenshi / Ichirin tommorow

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

anyways i kinda wanna avoid dragging down the thread so i'll take a breather

[Yuuka Kazami]

VOTE: Kagerou

VOTE: Kagerou

<------ Scum is here

like look flip me if you want but you'll have to kill one of Tenshi / Ichirin tommorow

*squint*
Death wish Dave? Is that you?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

VOTE: Kagerou

<------ Scum is here

like look flip me if you want but you'll have to kill one of Tenshi / Ichirin tommorow

Your trajectory on Ichirin is trash and I’ve said it multiple times. What Dai just quoted is also awful.