Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

I almost want to kill them just for having the gall to do that.

FTR, I am against the kagerou lim.
Miswording isn’t my thing and Dai seems almost feverishly confident.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I want to make very clear that while I say I almost want to kill them, I do not actually want to kill them for it.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Yuuka go review Kagerous trajectory for the read on Ichirin please.

[Yuuka Kazami]

There was a missing body of work and lack of proactivivity when they said they would check in with a player they suspected and then they consolidated into a scum read of ichirin after they ran off of with Dai’s argument. If I recall.

That one?

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

There was this townread that somehow shifted on a dime to a scumread Kagerou felt comfortable 1v1ing without any real established push from them prior. And that “miswording” feels bizarre on top of that.

[Yuuka Kazami]

So you don’t buy the ‘somehow’ shifted on a dime thing as coming from town kagerou.

And you don’t buy that they didn’t misstate or exaggerate their read. In a moment of carelessness.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Please note, I am not actually trying okay I’m lying I kind of want to prevent the wagon.

But like, I’m trying to do it from a position of cool offing and dialogue that will hopefully get us both closer to the truth Damnit!

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

So you don’t buy the ‘somehow’ shifted on a dime thing as coming from town kagerou.

And you don’t buy that they didn’t misstate or exaggerate their read. In a moment of carelessness.

I’m saying both are conveniently pushing towards the same goal. Does how Kagerous ichirin push developed not bother you?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

There was this townread that somehow shifted on a dime to a scumread Kagerou felt comfortable 1v1ing without any real established push from them prior. And that “miswording” feels bizarre on top of that.

Ichirin made a towny post wow

*4 real life days happen*

ok maybe Ichirin isn't town let's fight

WOW SO SUDDEN AND UNPRECEDENT OF YOU KAGEROU, YOU MUST B A MMBR OF THE MAFIA

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

i kinda wanna go back on tenshi this is even worse than Ichirin

[Yuuka Kazami]

1. Not quite following. I’ll assume you mean to say that it’s convenient that they said they misspoke because that absolves them of having to defend their position.
2. Yes, I’d love to know how their reads have developed.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

There was this townread that somehow shifted on a dime to a scumread Kagerou felt comfortable 1v1ing without any real established push from them prior. And that “miswording” feels bizarre on top of that.

Ichirin made a towny post wow

*4 real life days happen*

ok maybe Ichirin isn't town let's fight

WOW SO SUDDEN AND UNPRECEDENT OF YOU KAGEROU, YOU MUST B A MMBR OF THE MAFIA

God forbid you claim to keep me from flying under the radar again!

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

1. Not quite following. I’ll assume you mean to say that it’s convenient that they said they misspoke because that absolves them of having to defend their position.
2. Yes, I’d love to know how their reads have developed.

1) Kind of? Basically the “misspeak” pushes the same end goal as what was already a sketchy part of the ISO.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Maybe this atmosphere isn’t as charged as I think.
Can someone else do it.
I need a nap.

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Just look over it after your nap, lol

[Daiyousei]

yuuka i have to admit i'm struggling to understand what you're looking for from today given the current game state

of all the outcomes for today you think are plausible, which one is your ideal outcome

[Daiyousei]

(i'm pretty sure i already know the answer, i just want it on record as a response to that particular question)

[Clownpiece]

Kagerou had voiced that their read on Ichirin was open to change prior to the 1v1.

Clown raises some interesting points in a vaccum, i guess i should probably read Ichirin's ISO

Like I will give you that there was a decided lack of follow up, but [starting to agree with some of the things clown says] + [seeing new content they dont like] + [said new content is directed at them] is believable pivot point to me.

Especially when their first response to Ichirin's "giant fucking wall" was tempered (1301) until Ichirin doubled down with 1318 (which I also found scummy).

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

@Ichirin- do your targets know if they’ve been poisoned?

[Yuuka Kazami]

yuuka i have to admit i'm struggling to understand what you're looking for from today given the current game state

of all the outcomes for today you think are plausible, which one is your ideal outcome

I want scum to flip.
Unironically.
I just don’t know who the scum are.

[Daiyousei]

yuuka i have to admit i'm struggling to understand what you're looking for from today given the current game state

of all the outcomes for today you think are plausible, which one is your ideal outcome

I want scum to flip.
Unironically.
I just don’t know who the scum are.

well yes i also want that and i imagine that a lot of other players want that

but in terms of

actual individual players

, of all of the trains you think could plausibly reach the station today, which player's train is your ideal train at this moment

[Tenshi Hinanawi]

Kagerou had voiced that their read on Ichirin was open to change prior to the 1v1.

Clown raises some interesting points in a vaccum, i guess i should probably read Ichirin's ISO

Like I will give you that there was a decided lack of follow up, but [starting to agree with some of the things clown says] + [seeing new content they dont like] + [said new content is directed at them] is believable pivot point to me.

Especially when their first response to Ichirin's "giant fucking wall" was tempered (1301) until Ichirin doubled down with 1318 (which I also found scummy).

Would you feel comfortable 1v1ing someone on day one off of someone else’s read?

[Yuuka Kazami]

yuuka i have to admit i'm struggling to understand what you're looking for from today given the current game state

of all the outcomes for today you think are plausible, which one is your ideal outcome

I want scum to flip.
Unironically.
I just don’t know who the scum are.

well yes i also want that and i imagine that a lot of other players want that

but in terms of

actual individual players

, of all of the trains you think could plausibly reach the station today, which player's train is your ideal train at this moment

Probably kouji.

[Clownpiece]

Kagerou's tunnel is incredibly disingenuous here and i'm confused as to how others are not seeing it

The thing that is making me not feel like it is disingenuous is that almost every thing that Kagerou was pointing out was like exactly my reaction to Ichirin's posts.

Spoiler:

I kinda wanna vote Ichirin for this catchup but that would mean admitting clownpiece is probably town

(espe : i think the way he reads me / daiyousei is extremely forced)

1318 is made, and is what pushes Kagerou to make this

VOTE: Ichirin

i'm cool with 1v1ing

i don't have a case prepared but i'll just say that the way you voted me is extremely indicative that you are extremely excited to be voting me / you are projecting this excitement to us, something that town would have no reason for in this gamestate

especially disingenuous considering me being wagoned is nothing new, i'm not OMGUSing random people voting me

at best she called me out for inefficiency, which yeah i'll admit i very much was

Again, you'll have to forgive me if I don't particularly trust you on this one. Daiyousei has been putting in the effort, you really haven't.

What do you mean you don't trust me, like this is not a question of trust this is a question of what was our conversation about

Well, I feel like Ichirin would definetly be more honest about it if sie was actually town and excited about flipping scum!Kagerou

secondly, this scumread being on me at this exact moment just feel extremely convinient? Right as hir wagon threatens to get back on track

Yeah i think we get it now that's the third time you're saying this, and look, not saying this is impossible for this to come from town!you, just that this is exactly what scum!you needs to do, and your tone certainely isn't making me feel any different

Like, she was in the moment saying the exact things that I was thinking, so much so that I did not even really feel like I was needed to point the things out.

So to me, it felt like we were reading Ichirin's posts with the same set of eye -- so it makes it a little harder to swallow that it was an unfounded position for Kagerou to have.

And to the contrary, I found most of Ichirin's posts during their 1v1 to come across as forced/disingenuous.

[Clownpiece]

I have thoughts about eternity and kagerou's conversation, but it seems prudent to let kagerou answer questions before voicing them.

i’m interested in this

1742 and 1748 were this