Open 908: Aureal Is Hoarding All The Game Names | Game Over

[Bingle]

Mmmm. Roast duck.

VOTE: Dannflor

[Bingle]

The

Mafia

came from

Outer Space

!

Let’s all ignore that the mafia team is modconfirmed to be implo and black, btw.

[Bingle]

why’d you make 12

why am I trying to solve for peoples alignments? Probably because I don't know their alignments.

Is that post trying to solve alignments or establish you as an authority on implosions alignment though? Cause I don’t see how it’s going to positively affect implos readability.

[Bingle]

Bloop

[Bingle]

why’d you make 12

why am I trying to solve for peoples alignments? Probably because I don't know their alignments.

Is that post trying to solve alignments or establish you as an authority on implosions alignment though? Cause I don’t see how it’s going to positively affect implos readability.

we'll have to see implosions next post and I'll either be trash or a god.

That’s not really an answer mr trash god sir.

[Bingle]

PC is going to have the game solved by page 3

Not if we end the game before then!

[Bingle]

Posting it just to post it even though it was pointless doesn't really seem like you cared much about figuring out his alignment

Agreed, but do you think PC scum goes in on the LAMIST play that doesn’t even look a little bit town?

[Bingle]

VOTE: political clout

serious vote

Serious duck face.

[Bingle]

Google has failed me. I cannot find serious miltank face. It doesn’t exist.

[Bingle]

Serious Trash God face.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Black

[Bingle]

Now roll a two.

[Bingle]

I will now be assuming we are in set-up one going forward, nothing will convince me otherwise, including mod flips

I already claimed watcher, nm, pay attention. I’m going to see whichever scum kills ducky tonight and then fake a guilty on Dannflor.

[Bingle]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

I thought we had something special, but you’re just dumping me like yesterday’s Trash God.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Klick

I kind of don't like that vote

also aside from a maybe Black town am not getting much out of this yet

Hmm.

[Bingle]

I think that holding the opinion that you are very towny and Klick naked voting immediately after me naked voting you is sketch simultaneously is itself kind of sketch.

I’d like to hear what makes you town, for sure.

[Bingle]

I’m voting black because I don’t think she thinks the pc line of questioning actually leads anywhere, btw.

[Bingle]

I feel like it would have been more beneficial to you if you had waited for implosion to post more before outting the read. Posting it just to post it even though it was pointless doesn't really seem like you cared much about figuring out his alignment

Also since you are here what do you think about scum habits? will they change or stay the same?

I think it largely depends on the player and the habit. I think some scum habits are more prevalent than others

I'm not really inclined to believe your page 1 meta case tbh

Posting it just to post it even though it was pointless doesn't really seem like you cared much about figuring out his alignment

Agreed, but do you think PC scum goes in on the LAMIST play that doesn’t even look a little bit town?

Not really. I felt performative vibes when I first read it but it felt like the kind of performative that probably comes from town

Also since you are here what do you think about scum habits? will they change or stay the same?

I think it largely depends on the player and the habit. I think some scum habits are more prevalent than others

I'm not really inclined to believe your page 1 meta case tbh

no case I'm trying to figure out if mafia or town worst does what they did with the serious vote.

If you're trying to figure out his alignment by solely using meta then you're probably going to have a hard time

This line, black. It seems like something you’re pushing because you think you should be pushing something rather than because you think it’s going to give you real ai information. Am I wrong?

[Bingle]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

I thought we had something special, but you’re just dumping me like yesterday’s Trash God.

What in the world is a Trash God

PC.

[Bingle]

Yeah you're wrong. I'm not even pushing anything there

Miscommunication there, I think. I’m saying pushing as in “you’re poking at pc to do things” rather than “you’re presenting the argument/narrative that pc is scum”.

[Bingle]

Aight.

VOTE: ceejay

[Bingle]

Bingle do you have an opinion on Dann

Not really. I think it’s interesting you do, though.

[Bingle]

Town duck? I think it’s town duck.

[Bingle]

I think Dann on some level believes everything he has posted so far

Hmmm. I’ve kinda felt like all of Danns posting has been easystreet so far. I don’t think he’s driving a narrative but I also don’t really get “this man is speaking for truff” vibes atm.

[Bingle]

would I be crazy to call bingle town for putting their vote on top of the image instead of below it? I think it signals openness and not trying to obfuscate.

Sorry to disappoint but it was an intentional mirror of the format tw used of

Vote

Serious vote

[Bingle]

Mmmm. Roast duck.

VOTE: Dannflor

I wonder if we had the same thought

Unless you also have betrayed from the musical the Producers stuck in your head I doubt it.

[Bingle]

I’m townleaning Black, for the record.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Bingle

I think 120 is contrarian just for the sake of getting townread. Like an "I could easily pile on Black here but I'm not" type thing. I feel like Bingle would be more interested in confronting others about their Black reads if he were town. This combined with the way he framed my conversation with PC earlier makes me think something is off

Eh. I'm not particularly interested in confronting Dann yet, no.

I will say, the reason I'm townreading you is that my impression of your town game is that you're aggressive and pushy and don't really have a thing you want to be doing behind that and my impression of your scumgame is that you're aggressive and pushy and have a goal. This feels more like the former, and so I think you're town.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable that someone might see "aggressive and pushy" and think scum though.

[Bingle]

It's okay. My reads are very much more important than everyone else's. It's because I've brought the cool AND the muscle.

[Bingle]

What is a better approach for solving for Bingle?

Atm I'm leaning town but my memory of Bingle's scum range is that it's very very wide

Klick calling me fat up in here. I’ll have you know my scumgame is just big boned.

[Bingle]

Eh. I'm not particularly interested in confronting Dann yet, no

What I meant was I would expect you to question the validity of the scumreads on me when multiple people joined the wagon for little to no reason. You didn't seem interested in sorting my wagon at all despite thinking I might be town

Sure I did. Ducky is town looking for a scumread to believe in. I don’t want to confront Dann yet. Implo is putting enough weight on my reads that he thinks they’re automatically consensus and thought I was scumreading you, and I think his “oh huh, only one person was towning tw” while ignoring the correction came across as natural.

There isn’t much left there to push at meaningfully.

[Bingle]

Like I'm happy you reached the right conclusion but it's just such a weak reason to stand on and I'm not even sure if I believe that you believe this

I have little reason to lie about the cause for a weak meta read and if you examine the punnet square of our alignments that should be obvious to at least you. It’s probably best to just accept that I see you as a weird intersection of active and charismatic yet likely to get shitwagoned and try and figure out if the pocket attempt here is me trying to read what you do when pocketed, me trying to pocket you as scum, or me genuinely reaching out because I think you’re town and I want your help in narrowing down the gamestate.

[Bingle]

the worst
implosion
Black
Political Clout
Klick
ceejayvinoya
Dannflor
Not_Mafia

Klick and ceejay probably isn’t S/S.

[Bingle]

not sure rn I'm not sure I have a formula for Bingle. I just know that pressuring him in this gamestate isn't likely to accomplish anything.

Can you explain this? Are you agreeing that wagoning me early is useless? Are you calling out tw somehow? Do you disagree with the premise?

[Bingle]

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable that someone might see "aggressive and pushy" and think scum though.

this isn't the reason i scum read black

Is it not?

AFAICT, you're scumreading Black (or were) because she was being loud and pushy about what you saw as NAI things that weren't likely to lead anywhere and as a result wasn't really solving the game. I saw the loud and pushy and the not likely to lead anywhere and didn't think "Oh, this is probably someone trying to look town" but rather "This is Black being Black and I don't see how she is going to use this to further a scum wincon".

[Bingle]

128 is like a decent case on Bingle

Is it? Cause I'd expect just about everyone other than Black in this PL to know that I'm traditionally completely unruffled by early reads on me and actually prefer getting scumread to the point of wagoning at some point on D1.

[Bingle]

Mafia addiction is real

I too smoke the mafias.

[Bingle]

Weirdly, I feel fairly certain he's scum and can't recall having this feeling. What do you think Dann is doing that is towny?

[Bingle]

Got ninja'd there. Mind linking the game?

[Bingle]

do you actually expect me to know this?

Vaguely. I wax poetic about how useful early game wagons on me actually are fairly frequently and we used to play together a lot. I'm not offended if you don't remember or anything, but I definitely don't think you would see me as someone to target for an early push OR an early solve target.

[Bingle]

I'm not super expecting to solve you early, but again the context of my comment was wondering why black moved on from solving you so quickly

Fair, but that's also not really why I think you're scum. Your takes have just seemed easy and hollow this game, when I tend to hold you to a higher standard.

[Bingle]

Also, what kind of food do I want?

[Bingle]

Also, what kind of food do I want?

Chinese takeout

I'm an hour outside of Chicago for the next two days on a work trip, so it'll be a crapshoot whether the place is good, but your suggestion is accepted.

[Bingle]

The menu is pretty extensive which is usually a good sign. We'll see.

[Bingle]

I think bingle was responding to me there just didn't quote me. Just for clarification if this changes anything for you. Or am I wrong @bingle?

120 was responding to implo which you then responded to. My explanation of the Black read was a mix of responding to you and Black.

[Bingle]

I'm interested in hearing any thoughts you have regarding Dann following reading said game.

Dann in that game seems to have been shotgunning reads left and right from the word go that all seemed like kinda meh takes. The pivot onto Black seemed more like a pivot away from untenable ground than an actual starting point like I was expecting from the byplay here, which makes me less inclined to read into the comparison all that much. It honestly just doesn't seem like Dann's treatment of Black is all that similar while Dann's approach to the thread feels overall pretty same-y.

[Bingle]

Spec thread:

"Wow, what a bunch of noncommittal assholes."

[Bingle]

I mean... It has like three times as many people.

[Bingle]

While the Bao was pretty mid, the Singapore Chow Mein Fun was both spicy and tasty. As such, Black may continue to play without shame.

[Bingle]

I’ll bite the bullet: NM why you so quiet?

[Bingle]

Just looking at my play so far & thinking about a few of the people in the spec chat I can sense a duck hunt

If it's not me it's absolutely you though imo

I’d put real money on DE calling for a wagon on me, at least.

[Bingle]

the worst
implosion
Black
Political Clout
Klick
ceejayvinoya
Dannflor
Not_Mafia

Klick and ceejay probably isn’t S/S.

I haven’t really made much progress from here and I don’t know if that’s a good or bad sign.

NM not voting anyone is fucking weird, but like… he’s more than capable of faking a scumread as scum.

I think I’d like to hear more from PC about the state of things, because I think we’re suffering from a gamestate where more than half of the player list is people who never really get to be locktown and I for one am not used to that kind of state.

[Bingle]

I'm looking forward to the telling Not_Mafia reactions and Not_Mafia case from this exciting Not_Mafia wagon

I agree with the premise that the only Not_Mafia votes that matter are those that will lead to a Not_Mafia elimination. I'm not sure I disagree with the premise that Not_Mafia is the best elimination here.

[Bingle]

I think i am going to go back and look at the black/bingle interaction again. I think bingle might have been secretly cooking otherwise I don't understand that progression either. When did @Bingle decide black was town? It was surely when bingle unvoted right?

A little before I voted cjay is when I started townleaning her, yeah.

[Bingle]

do we think a 32 hour work week will ever make it through congress

What am I supposed to do with the other 28 hours though?

[Bingle]

Bingle is there a reason you’re not more interested in litigating your fairly certain Dann scum read

Yup. I don't think I get you eliminated today. I think everyone is pretty aware of the "I don't think Dann is town" read, so I don't feel the need to beat it into their heads in case I die. And if you are town, you're at least making moves towards being readable.

If I'm right, there is still time for other people to realize it. If I'm not right, maybe I see that and reevaluate.

[Bingle]

I want to lim NM if 7 other slots are sufficiently towny enough

Samesies, except I don't judge D1 limmability on whether I think someone is town or scum as a 1:1. Like, given the day ending dayvig I probably shoot NM over you here because I think your flip does very little actually for progressing the game.

I'd still lim cj over both though.

[Bingle]

Sure. NM flipping here doesn't give us a ton of information outright, but it also makes who dies into a really spicy question. We go into D2 with a higher percentage of people actually playing, potential night action info, and the answer to the question "Who is scum most afraid of RIGHT NOW."

Also, I'm not unconvinced that NM isn't scum.

[Bingle]

Bingle/Dann is the scumteam I'm so sad

I'm pretty sure that happened once. Either that or I wanted it to happen so badly that I dreamed it did.

[Bingle]

Damn, who do I have to nightkill to get a solid scumread here. Everybody be like "Bingle could maybe be town", I need some Bingle stans.

[Bingle]

Wait, I meant who do I have to nightkill to get a solid townread. Ignore the freudian slip.

[Bingle]

Wrong take away from that interaction imho

What's the right takeaway?

[Bingle]

Not gonna lie, ceejay not doing anything here is giving me the warm fuzzies about the wagon being good.

[Bingle]

Wrong take away from that interaction imho

What's the right takeaway?

ceejay scum

That’s the same takeaway though

[Bingle]

My only hesitation with ceejay is that, like, no one is making significant moves to defend him. Granted, he wouldn’t be giving a buddy much to work with here and even still there’s been multiple attempts at starting other wagons.

[Bingle]

With that said, I’m interested in delaying the lim a couple days to give him a chance to reflect on his wagon.

[Bingle]

yo bingle why does your read on me feel so contrived

Potentially because it’s something I’m not really interested in litigating atm and potentially because you’re scum trying to undercut the read.

[Bingle]

I also feel like the strength of my scumread on Dann is being vastly overestimated in general, fwiw.

[Bingle]

But what if black is right and it’s really just alianna?

[Bingle]

i don't even have a response to that this is probably exactly how i would and how i have historically engaged in scum theatre

I think in this list the only option for an us scumteam would have been to basically be masons and attempt to get an early chokehold on the gamestate, tbh, but no one believes me in a game of mafia anymore.

[Bingle]

Tbf, I think my approach to this list is my standard lld partner approach of kill all doubt in my partner’s alignment and win before town realizes they’re fucked pretty much regardless of who I’m partnered with

[Bingle]

Actually might take a look at teams this weekend and see if anyone is playing this how I’d expect them to. Everyone here is a good enough player that I’d expect them to have some idea of their goals before first contact with the enemy.

[Bingle]

Nm, for sure. Ducky or black maybe, but the initial plan would have slid sideways. Implo/me is like the opposite of how I’d want to play out our interactions.

[Bingle]

I think I would have spent significantly more energy propping up Klick if we were teamed. I think I’d be too scared of having to solo this lobby to be softbussing CJ here, but honestly it’s the kind of stupid ass plan I might decide on if I was bored.

[Bingle]

Oh, right. PC. This is pretty much exactly what a pc/Bingle team would look like tbh.

[Bingle]

you're having a lot of fun this game duck

I think you think that duck thinks that you think that duck thinks that I think that you think that.

[Bingle]

We're the same person (where the hell is iconeum) but our brains are different!

wait wtf I'm about to get on a plane too

I’m stuck in an airport waiting on a connection for a few hours, does that count?

[Bingle]

CJ please order the playerlist according to how much you think they can bench.

[Bingle]

Everybody is a cat

The line is: "Everybody wants to be a cat."

Because, you know, a cat's the only cat who knows where it's at.

[Bingle]

Sorry I didn't post yesterday, btw. I got in at midnight and spent most of the last 24 hours cooking. I get to be at home for a whole 9 days this time, and I was being lazy.

[Bingle]

i want to know who bingle thinks he can be teamed with

Hey Dann, what did you get out of this and why was it never brought up again?

[Bingle]

I haven't really read anything from bingle yet that makes me go "oh this one really looks like it comes from town" and would make me unvote which doesn't make him necessarily scum but I'm not happy about it either

I don't think this is legitimately a "Strongest read" at this point in the game. Like... I get that we're a GOAT lobby and generating reads is pulling teeth, but cj is saying "My strongest read is that I'm not strongly townreading Bingle." It feels more like he's trying to justify parking his vote on me than any real attempt to answer the question. And if this is his strongest read, it stands to reason that he would have seen something that says "Oh this one really looks like it comes from town" from literally anyone else.

[Bingle]

I don’t think you get anything out of alienating me but not trying to push the deepwolf read to look towny either

Would it be dumb of me to tell you why I would do that as scum? Yes, regardless of my alignment.

But I can't help myself. Scum me would love to soft tunnel you like this because it gives me a late game excuse for why I was kept alive and why I wasn't doing *more* to fall back on, without actually making me look super suspicious. A good scum player doesn't need to be obvtown on D1/2, they need to not be obvscum. Being obvtown is often counterproductive in the long run.

[Bingle]

As far as implo being town:

I just don't think scum implo treats ME this way.

I'm glad that Bingle is calling Dann sort of very softly scummy. I think Dann is not even close to escaping his scumrange in this game and I *think* there have been a few townreads on him and I'm a bit aghast at that. I feel like Dann is being reasonable and responsive and playing well and doing all the things that, he does as scum to my knowledge (at least from Toriel's patience). I haven't read any people's in-depth reasons for calling him town but I'm very skeptical of him being >rand town and think there's a good chance he's >rand scum though I don't have good reasons for thinking that in particular

Bingle and Black are townleans in that I generally don't have issues with their play and I don't think I understand their scum ranges well enough to say anything with confidence right now and I think both of them have done some stuff that I like, maybe black a bit more so than Bingle

PC is nominally town, I think Klick is townish (I guess probably my strongest townread but not very strong nonetheless), so very deeply unconfident scumpool right now is worst/cj/dann i guess (n_m being next in line I think)

Like, this in succession. 387 seems like a real thought process. There's nuance to it, there's town paranoia about Dann: it's like the perfect scumpost to try and pocket me into leading a crusade on a theoretical townDann's porch. But then he just kind of... backs off. Apparently I'm only implo's 3rd or 4th strongest townread and the strength of it is "Eh, nothing he's done is blegh". The complete lack of progression there in two posts that are very close in ISO doesn't make me think implo is actively trying to get me to do anything. It's the weirdest pocket attempt ever if it is a pocket attempt, and that's exactly why I'm pocketed. I think implo is legitimately just saying the things he thinks without really trying to accomplish anything, which is pretty damn town in my book.

[Bingle]

Black
Black’s read on CeeJay feels fake. I can’t really empathize with this read from Black, and despite being challenged on it multiple times, and CeeJay being a consensus scum read, Black doesn’t seem to care about litigating it. I understand everyone is non-commital about their reads this game, but town is still searching for something to care about.
Generally, I don’t get the sense Black cares about her reads. I’ve said this before but the progression from Bingle to the worst to Klick and back again feels mechanical. “Ok this person is fine now, let’s go back here.” Maybe town!black hasn’t found anything to care about this game. But idk, Black asked me to help her fade the worst, and for some reason I have no memory of why Black scum reads the worst, so that feels like false bravado.
the response to me voting her being “what is your plan to fade me” feels contrived. It feels like Black trying to find the towniest looking reaction rather than just her genuine reaction to me tunneling her
Black being like “omg why would we kill NM when we could kill someone ACTUALLY SCUMMY” felt LAMIST and like TMI
in the words of alisae, I just don’t get the vibe that Black “wants to be right”

Hmmm.

I understand the case, but I don't agree with it being scum indicative.

I'm seeing what Black is doing as more akin to what cowbells or fleaf do as both alignments in the early game. She's pouncing on every little thing and acting all murder death kill without actual conviction, sure, but I get that more in the sense that she's trying to get to a point where she thinks she is right than in the sense that she's trying to look like she's right, if that makes any sense.

[Bingle]

VOTE: worst

bad implo case

What implo case?

[Bingle]

I'm not sold on Dann town yet, but I'm seeing more of the solve-y TownDann nature that I thought was lacking so maybe he can be town.

If cj flips scum I'm probably going to be looking pretty hard at NM tomorrow.

[Bingle]

Implo support group.

[Bingle]

I want to reevaluate under the assumption that ceejay is town and see what that implies about the attitudes towards his wagon
I've really not got the energy for it atm though

Eh. I’m not opposed, I just don’t think I’ll be willing to make that assumption unless he actually does flip town at this point.

What do you make of my implo towncase?

[Bingle]

Black should be yeeted before the final day

Legitimately though, this sentence has probably been said about this playerlist more times than any of us would care to remember.

[Bingle]

i now feel awkward about the way i'm being talked about

If it helps, you can imagine I sound like Scruff McGruff.

[Bingle]

VOTE: bingle

I'm interested in the why anyway, tbh.

[Bingle]

Disappointing, tbh. I was hoping for something spicy.