Open 104 - The New C9 - Game Over

[The Fonz]

I got time to look over Scott's links.

also, i promised you a link or two about getting good wolf reads from one short post
in this game soah (and tarheels for that matter) is a wolf, and boo radley isnt.

OK, here, the short post on which it was supposedly possible to get a wolf read consisted of solely a vote. I can't see how it is possible to get any kind of read from that kind of post, unless the player in question had a history of vote-only posts as scum, and usually posted more as town.

in this game, reno is a wolf, cue, scott, and kokiri arent

sup?

cue

This is reno's first post in that game. Now clearly, there is no particular reason why scum would post 'sup' as opposed to town. IE, it is not intrinsically scummy to post 'sup.' (That you all come to a consensus that 'that post is bad' amazes me). Therefore, again, unless you had meta on Reno, I can't see what's wrong with that post.

If there was a general trend of wolves making short posts to begin with, you'd expect wolves to avoid doing it. And so on.

[Sun Tzu]

Of course we "had meta" on Reno. That's the point. I don't know how you can get a good read on someone from one post unless you know them pretty well.

[The Fonz]

Which was precisely the point. If a player always acts A in a given scenario as town, and acts B here, of course it's noteworthy.

[darkdude]

Vote Count for Day 1

There are 19 Alive, so 10 to Lynch

Wall-E [8] (ScottHoward, M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE, hewitt, zhaorx, norseman1066, StrangerCoug, The Central Scrutinizer, well-named, )

The Central Scrutinizer [2] (matrix, atakdog, )
Hitch [2] (The Fonz, Sun Tzu, )
StrangerCoug [1] (Caboose, )
M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE [1] (Mada, )
The Fonz [1] (Wall-E, )
matrix [0] ()
well-named [0] ()
hewitt [0] ()
ScottHoward [0] ()
Sun Tzu [0] ()
zhaorx [0] ()
Caboose [0] ()
Stef [0] ()
atakdog [0] ()
norseman1066 [0] ()
SiestaGuru [0] ()
oEJo [0] ()
Mada [0] ()

No Lynch [0] ()

Not Voting [4] (Stef, oEJo, SiestaGuru, Hitch, )

[Sun Tzu]

unvote Hitch; vote Wall-E

That's L-1, so let's have some answers and a claim if necessary.

[hewitt]

Which was precisely the point. If a player always acts A in a given scenario as town, and acts B here, of course it's noteworthy.

Okay sorry for the absence I've been on vacation. Anyways, so since there a lot more people in here who've played together before than with me, is there anyone in this thread who you feel exhibits this they're playing A or B scenario? This is for The Fonz mostly but also for others who've played together before.

[Wall-E]

Sorry for the double post, thought I'd stopped when I finished responding to Scott, then realised there was more:

1. his vote for zazier
How does my random vote prove I have not read the thread? I've already said once that I even had a small reason for the vote. Can you specify?

As stated, zazier wasn’t in the game when you voted. That’s absolute proof. Anything else would be gravy.

And I have addressed this. There's nothing more to say about it. During my read, Zazie struck me as scummy. I needed a random vote, so I voted Zazie. Fair?

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Alarm bells!

Was your vote because Zazie struck you as scummy, or was it random?

The two are not compatible.

Wall-E - question highlighted in

bold red

above (from #954)

This. Also:

How do you square 'voting ZazieR for something she said on page 10' with 'treating page 23 as page one of the game?'

..................................................are you serious?

That's the big question? My random vote?

Yeah, you guys are going to lynch me anyway, and this whole thing was a farce. How does it benefit the scum to do any of the things I'm being hung for? Remember to ask yourselves that question of every bandwagon from here on out.

Some things I leave you with: 1) I'm vanilla, no harm, no foul. 2) Don't scumbuddy speculate before the first scum's caught, and 3) Just because someone's arrogant doesn't make them scum.

Unvote, vote: Wall-E

You kids play nice.

[Wall-E]

The 43 page monster day is DEAD! Long live Day 2!

[darkdude]

"Hm...since you're all voting for me, I'll end this fast!" says Wall-E, casting a vote for himself.

Wall-E, a Vanilla Townie, has been Lynched.

IT IS NOW NIGHT 1.

[darkdude]

In the morning, you all wake up to find two victims of the night's violence.

The Fonz, a Cop, has been Killed.
atakdog, a Vanilla Townie, has been Killed.

IT IS NOW DAY 2.

There are 16 Alive, so 9 to Lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

So we don't have a vig if we don't have a doctor. OK. What sucks, though, is that I'm 0 for 2 here, and I don't have any good reads. Damn scumdar.

[The Fonz]

Bah, go town!

Might want to update the topic title, dd.

[matrix]

Just to recap on the setup:

ROLES

This is an open set up, so all the roles that could potentially exist can be found below.

Setup at a glance: 4 Mafia, 1 SK, 0-2 SCops, 0-2 Doctors, 0-1 Vig, 0/2 Masons, 8-15 Townies

Presence Randomization: 33% chance of presence for 0, 1, or 2 cops, same for doctors, 50% for vig, 50% for mason pair, and Vanilla Townies fills in whatever number is left for a total of 20 players, including 4 mafia and 1 SK.

There is one SK. We could potentially still have 1 vig 1 Cop 2 Docs and a pair of Masons in addition to the 4 Scum and the Townies?

We mislynched a good Townie ( I hate Wall-E commiting suicide but hey)
We lost both a good player Vanilla (atak) and a Good player who happened to be a Cop (Fonz) and the

only thing

that we can dredge from yesterday with much reliability is that TCS is more likely a Townie. (Fonz' defense of him d1 on somewhat odd reasoning points to him having been ionvestigated n0 some reasonable % of the time)

Oh and either POGgers are in charge of the Den and made the Atak Kill and an MSer is the SK and killed Fonz - or vice versa.

If all of the Oh so quiet players from day one could start actually contributing from this point onwards that would be somewhat helpful.

Without going through and recapping all of day 1 yet I suspect my first impressions will be to want to lynch m1ke/zhaorx/Hitch today in that order.

Also if a player awaiting replacement is a power role and does not use their available night action, is that action rand()ed by the mod - or just wasted?

[hewitt]

Why m1ke first?

[matrix]

because I find him the most scummy, this is not his normal game and I think the comments he posted late on in d1 are particularly dodgy.

Zhaorx is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too quiet by his standards and promised to deliver more content d2 so he gets to be my #2 suspect.

Hitch I haven't played with much, but both Atak (who is good) and Fonz (who I assume is good) were suspicious of Hitch, and both of those are now dead. I am leaning innocent on Hitch - innocent enough for me to want to lynch m1ke/zhaorx before him at this point.

[well-named]

I won't be attempting to read atakdog this game. I'll probably just kill him at night.

lol imo.

[Sun Tzu]

busted

[StrangerCoug]

Also if a player awaiting replacement is a power role and does not use their available night action, is that action rand()ed by the mod - or just wasted?

It's generally wasted unless the player is forced to use the action (in which case it is rand()ed, to use your words) or the power is a limited shot ability (in which case a shot isn't spent).

[hewitt]

I won't be attempting to read atakdog this game. I'll probably just kill him at night.

lol imo.

Was that a joke?

[Hitch]

Is there a way to get all atak's posts called up without scrolling through the whole game page by page?

[Hitch]

Just to recap on the setup:

ROLES

This is an open set up, so all the roles that could potentially exist can be found below.

Setup at a glance: 4 Mafia, 1 SK, 0-2 SCops, 0-2 Doctors, 0-1 Vig, 0/2 Masons, 8-15 Townies

Presence Randomization: 33% chance of presence for 0, 1, or 2 cops, same for doctors, 50% for vig, 50% for mason pair, and Vanilla Townies fills in whatever number is left for a total of 20 players, including 4 mafia and 1 SK.

There is one SK. We could potentially still have 1 vig 1 Cop 2 Docs and a pair of Masons in addition to the 4 Scum and the Townies?

We mislynched a good Townie ( I hate Wall-E commiting suicide but hey)
We lost both a good player Vanilla (atak) and a Good player who happened to be a Cop (Fonz) and the

only thing

that we can dredge from yesterday with much reliability is that TCS is more likely a Townie. (Fonz' defense of him d1 on somewhat odd reasoning points to him having been ionvestigated n0 some reasonable % of the time)

Oh and either POGgers are in charge of the Den and made the Atak Kill and an MSer is the SK and killed Fonz - or vice versa.

If all of the Oh so quiet players from day one could start actually contributing from this point onwards that would be somewhat helpful.

Without going through and recapping all of day 1 yet I suspect my first impressions will be to want to lynch m1ke/zhaorx/Hitch today in that order.

Also if a player awaiting replacement is a power role and does not use their available night action, is that action rand()ed by the mod - or just wasted?

Why do poggers kill atak there over other poggers? I mean Scott's here.

[Hitch]

Is there a way to get all atak's posts called up without scrolling through the whole game page by page?

I obv mean fonze too

[well-named]

Hitch, at the bottom of the page you can filter posts in the thread by user.

Hewitt, not only was it a joke, but it was also funny. Hope that helps.

[StrangerCoug]

Why do poggers kill atak there over other poggers? I mean Scott's here.

Why does this give me the impression that POGgers are xenophobic?

[matrix]

People are Xenophobic, it's part of human nature, which is in turn hammered in to people via the medium of banal television, but I digress...

It's "standard" strategy whether one is a Mafioso or a SK to kill off the better players remaining in the game n1.

POGgers would be well aware of Atak's credentials - likewise MSers for Fonz. If Fonz was a Mafia hit - they just got plain old dumb lucky.

As far as Atak being dead over other players - pass.

Why is half of this town, some of whom were lamenting the slowness of the game - who hinted day one that they would be more participatory day 2 - still keeping schtum????