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[Hu Tao]

Hi

[Hu Tao]

I claim VT

[Hu Tao]

I claim VT

Serious claim BTW

[Hu Tao]

I claim VT

Serious claim BTW

Gunslinger it is!

LMAO

[Hu Tao]

My vibes say gypyx is towny. But not 100% on that read yet

[Hu Tao]

My gut on Dave is sussy. But I'm unsure on that one too

[Hu Tao]

come murder willow with me Hu Tao

Maybe later if they do anything sus

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao and Wisp town. Dave and Naerys sus.

Dave sus bc whiteknight. Naerys likely fake suspicion.

Titus may be sus

[Hu Tao]

Dave claims that he did not read page 2 before he put me on E-1.
If true, he jumped on a train without understanding implications and potential lime. Hardly townish.
If not true, he is scum.
Dave is at least sus for me.

I agree he is sus.

[Hu Tao]

Good morning fellow townies!

Wait, I’ve seen this one!

[Hu Tao]

RN is sus too right now. Why so much sus.

[Hu Tao]

I still think Dave is worst.

VOTE: Dave

This doesn't feel like the town Davey I'm used to.

[Hu Tao]

RN is sus too right now. Why so much sus.

...

So, why do you say that?

Just a feeling

[Hu Tao]

I get a feeling that Hu Tao wants her play every single game to be different, which plays hell with meta but seems like it might be fun.

This is true. Yet you voted me, how come?

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao and Wisp town. Dave and Naerys sus.

Dave sus bc whiteknight. Naerys likely fake suspicion.

Titus may be sus

RN is sus too right now. Why so much sus.

I still think Dave is worst.

VOTE: Dave

This doesn't feel like the town Davey I'm used to.

Could you elaborate on all of these please Hu Tao?

Just vibes I get

[Hu Tao]

Could it be that Hu Tao is yet again Scum?

Sus

[Hu Tao]

I'm not. If I was trying to mock you I'd direct things to you.

[Hu Tao]

I'm terrible Day 1 as town. So I need to change things up

[Hu Tao]

You just feel different than usual. And so does Dave. But I think Dave is more different

[Hu Tao]

You just feel different than usual. And so does Dave. But I think Dave is more different

Oh, please do tell me what feels different to you, Hu

Humor me.

Vibes. Not much content but I just get a different feel

[Hu Tao]

But I think Dave is more different

Can you point to something specific that feels different, only 8 pages in?

It's nothing specific. Just past games I could feel you were town, this game so far I don't.

[Hu Tao]

But I think Dave is more different

Can you point to something specific that feels different, only 8 pages in?

It's nothing specific. Just past games I could feel you were town, this game so far I don't.

How early could you tell before?

Have I not done the same thing to you? So why ask?

[Hu Tao]

I'm banned from voting Naerys day 1 after last game

[Hu Tao]

Dave quickly hopping on the next wagon to push away his suspicion .

[Hu Tao]

what did willow do to get so many votes?

It’s crazy what you can learn when you participate lol

[Hu Tao]

I still think we should go dave

[Hu Tao]

I still think we should go dave

I could do dave too

Ι don't think that you have accused Dave of anything wrong. Why do you think that Dave's lime is good option?

Personally he feels different than his town games. He feels a bit more nervous here or something.

[Hu Tao]

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

[Hu Tao]

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

Why am I scum?

[Hu Tao]

Gera why ignore my question?

[Hu Tao]

Yeah I missed it

[Hu Tao]

Gera why ignore my question?

Pinging to say I think you also missed mine

Where? Can you post it again

[Hu Tao]

Gera why ignore my question?

Pinging to say I think you also missed mine

Where? Can you post it again

So true king

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

Why am I scum?

Indeed, I too find that in the realm of wagon dynamics, also known as wagonomics, nestled snugly within the town/scum-plane curvature of said wagon's interior, lies a peculiar point dubbed "Point PP3" or the PenguinPoint. This enigmatic locus defies conventional wagon analysis, oscillating between states of scum-like ambiguity and town-like absurdity. Its coordinates, expressed purely in the language of mathematics, would be as follows: (π^2 + √5, 2.71828...).

It is here, within the confines of Point PP3, the laws of wagonomics intertwine with the calculus of imagination, yielding conclusions that dance in the mists of uncertainty. It has been said that only the most audacious of waggoners dare venture close, for at this singular spot, the very fabric of rationality frays into nonsense, where town and scum lose their meaning, and the imaginary alignment frolics merrily with its real counterparts. Truly, Point PP3 stands as a testament to the profound absurdity that lurks beneath the veneer of wagonomics.

I cant tell if its satire or not.

Do any of you suspect someone at the moment?
If so, who?

Umm not really

[Hu Tao]

I suspect Dave

[Hu Tao]

why do you suspect dave

Meta. He seems off this game.

[Hu Tao]

Do you have any suspicions?

No

Why are you voting Hu Tao?

I think it’s just a reflex at this point.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: davesaz

If Naeyrs is a dead wagon, going back to my own choice.

Yess. More votes!

[Hu Tao]

Just because a wagon is big(ger) doesn’t make it the right move.

And I say this as someone who is still willing to vote Will’o. I’m just saying I don’t think that’s a great way to look at wagons.

Wanna vote dave?

[Hu Tao]

Just because a wagon is big(ger) doesn’t make it the right move.

And I say this as someone who is still willing to vote Will’o. I’m just saying I don’t think that’s a great way to look at wagons.

Wanna vote dave?

Oh no is this the peer pressure my mom warned me about…

Do it

[Hu Tao]

NaS can be vigged later. Every game has a vigilante these days, as you found out last game

Dave gives more info

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

I'm really not buying NAS, like, this play seems kinda too audacious to pull off as scum

maybe he's just burnt out but like...

Do you have any suspicions?

No

He would have to be full force anti-spewing

Kinda agree.

[Hu Tao]

He's a good vig target

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure how much I like directing Vigs publicly

Boo hoo

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

[Hu Tao]

i think i'd rather let us lim the uncontroversial slots and let the vig take risks?

Bad take

[Hu Tao]

NaS gives 0 info going into the night for night actions regardless of his alignment.

[Hu Tao]

Every game has a vigilante these days.

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

Because I don't think this makes you scum?

Also posturing how?

I like to use random buzz words to sound smart

[Hu Tao]

NaS gives 0 info going into the night for night actions regardless of his alignment.

Not even based on how the wagon grew?

Nope

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

You're saying people should vote everyone they disagree with? Seems like posturing

Then why not vote me then?

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

Because I don't think this makes you scum?

Also posturing how?

I like to use random buzz words to sound smart

I realise in hindsight on this site now, saying you don't like something usually means you scumread it.

I'll rephrase then, I don't think we should be directing PR actions publicly.

I think that is an over blown take imo

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

You're saying people should vote everyone they disagree with? Seems like posturing

Then why not vote me then?

Cause i'm posturing

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

Because I don't think this makes you scum?

Also posturing how?

I like to use random buzz words to sound smart

I realise in hindsight on this site now, saying you don't like something usually means you scumread it.

I'll rephrase then, I don't think we should be directing PR actions publicly.

I think that is an over blown take imo

What do you mean by overblown?

I like to use buzz words

[Hu Tao]

But seriously. It's good for people to know where their positions are. And it stops a vigilante from doing a potential bad kill like an obvious pr

[Hu Tao]

If you don't like it then why don't you vote me? Seems like posturing.

Because I don't think this makes you scum?

Also posturing how?

I like to use random buzz words to sound smart

I realise in hindsight on this site now, saying you don't like something usually means you scumread it.

I'll rephrase then, I don't think we should be directing PR actions publicly.

I think that is an over blown take imo

What do you mean by overblown?

I like to use buzz words

How do you read me so far in this game?

Unsure. Mostly focused on others

[Hu Tao]

Guess we will see when you flip

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

Could use a VC.

Look up

[Hu Tao]

Darn. Looks like we will have to wagon Dave now

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

I still think my reads are correct but I'm fine with a miselim if it wakes people up tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

I’m a lil shocked nobody is coming after my ass considering how little I’ve posted compared to usual

I’ll come after your ass

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Why do you refuse to vote dave?

[Hu Tao]

Only 16 hours left

[Hu Tao]

Not too late for dave

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dave

If you all would like to eliminate scum today, that would be great

[Hu Tao]

Vibes still say Dave is scum

[Hu Tao]

I'll catch up in a bit

[Hu Tao]

Let's give us something to talk about.

There is a neighbourhood in this game that consists of:
Myself (Thomith)
Gypyx
Snow
Titus
Dave

Even bigger reason to vote Dave.

[Hu Tao]

Let's give us something to talk about.

There is a neighbourhood in this game that consists of:
Myself (Thomith)
Gypyx
Snow
Titus
Dave

Even bigger reason to vote Dave.

i dont see any reason to vote dave

He's scum. That's the reason

[Hu Tao]

Ranger I'm sorry you had to replace into a scum slot

[Hu Tao]

Only 2 more votes!!

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Good luck with that one

[Hu Tao]

I think ranger is gonna be the Elim

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Naerys
can u just vote me out i dont wanna read Rangers posts anymore

Can you just vote ranger

[Hu Tao]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{Gypyx, Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P32

Well, I just did an entire page and a half of readslists with nobody else contributing.

Wrapping up here; it's both where I replaced in and fairly late.

I realize you'll likely want explanations, review of the later pages, current reflections, etc.

As usual, the most effective way to ask me about a read trajectory is to ask me what changed a read on a specific page. For instance, what changed between 31 and 31, what changed between 23 and 24, etc.

Falling asleep now, be back tomorrow.

I very strongly believe this is Hu Tao as scum. Let me ask you; have you see Hu Tao give a single read other than "davesaz/Ranger scum"?
Does this match your experience with Hu Tao as town?
It doesn't match mine.

Hu Tao as town gives some of the most thorough indepth analysis a town player can give; this Hu Tao has one single read repeated ad nauseum since the beginning of the game.

Ah yes. The game where i tunneled lap all day 1 like I'm doing here now. Thanks

[Hu Tao]

I could be wrong. But I think Dave felt off. And he's pretty obvious town when he's town so I think you're just scum unfortunately

[Hu Tao]

The site rudely went down as I was posting this.

Is that the entirety of your Hu Tao case?

Sorta?

Hu Tao has done nothing but empty tunnel davesaz (and now me), without reassessing. The 'different behavior' Hu Tao spotted

could

have been thanks to davesaz being in a neighborhood, yet after this came to light, Hu Tao didn't consider it at all. She doubled down on the tunnel. Which is an easy push to make. What's your experience with davesaz, Lycanfire? Would you say he's a particularly difficult player to push? Or is he a very easy player to push, often limbait?

I feel both the choice of player to push, the reason for it, and the lack of anything beyond, all are suspect from

any

player. That I literally just finished a game where Hu Tao was town and was analyzing every player in the game makes Hu Tao's tunnel here all the more jarring. Hu Tao should have a much higher posted count, and have much longer posts, and have more slots analyzed, and be pushing harder, and have more reasoning, than what she's given here. It's completely different from her towngame.

I feel a town Hu Tao would have been dissatisfied with the stagnant gamestate. I feel a town Hu Tao would have been pushing harder, more invested. This Hu Tao is practically a lurker, just skirting by.

On top of that, there's a simple matter of PoE.

Hu Tao has done nothing town.

Everyone else in the game has, even Titus, even Oblivion (both who I suspect), even your slot (ambivalent), and every slot from geraintm above.

Hu Tao's only contribution has been pushing a single slot, one I know to be town, for reasons I know to be bad.

It's not slamdunk, but in a game with such lackluster content it's better than any case anybody else has put forward.



Be back later.

To be fair. I agree that I've done nothing this game worth town reading yet people seem to have me as town. I think I might be burnt out from mafia right now. Can you show me a scum game of yours? Maybe I'll reconsider

[Hu Tao]

i feel like if rangers claim is true then Hu should just fly through the window

The issue is, infact, if it is true. It is a claim that is only provable night 3, which means we can't answer it being fake until day 4, right? If we kill two townies on day 2 and 3, assuming no roles, we will be in MELO (8 alive, likely 3 scum) which means we do not have a lot of ability to answer.

This is a claim that explicitly says "you cannot actually answer me until it is too late" and even if it is true, it can be scum.

Eh. I'm fine with voting elsewhere then. Either scum kills her or she's proven with her role

[Hu Tao]

I need to check my earlier reads cause I'm kinda out of it right now. Sorry all.

[Hu Tao]

Okay. Rereading more invested me thought RN was sus multiple times day 1. I trust my previous self.

VOTE: Random Nurse

[Hu Tao]

i feel like if rangers claim is true then Hu should just fly through the window

I feel uncomfortable voting you this game if I'm being honest. I just hope you're town

[Hu Tao]

i feel like if rangers claim is true then Hu should just fly through the window

God I love playing with you and Hu

What are your reads?

[Hu Tao]

I am once again asking you to vote inside the hood

I kinda think snow is town based on last game with them.

[Hu Tao]

Most likely Town
Gypyx
Titus
Ranger
Snow
Must Likely Scum

In my opinion.

If Snow flips Scum, Ranger and Titus swap places for me I think.

I guess snow would be the most likely in that group. Others probably are town

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: PenguinPower

Until I figure out which person from the neighborhood I think is the best to vote, I’m using my vote to give information about what I’m thinking, since apparently not voting is the work of the devil according to some. (sorry for being hyperbolic) But also, if wanting to glean info from someone’s voting history if they are killed/limmed is a big thing, I don’t mind this being put out there.

I don’t like Day 2 from Penguin. I didn’t really love his D1 either. Maybe it’s just his playstyle but continually prodding people to vote and saying they add nothing to the game unless they vote is odd to me since he seems to vote randomly with no explanation a good amount of the time. He says talk is meaningless yet votes (sometimes) with no (obvious) incentive. Seems like he does that so he can retroactively come up with any explanation he wants for his votes.

I could vote this. I don't really want anyone in the hood atm

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: penguin

[Hu Tao]

I could vote this. I don't really want anyone in the hood atm

Do you just mean currently or like D2 in general?

I don't think any are scum right now

[Hu Tao]

I think gypyx is the most town of any of them. I'm kinda suspicious of people saying we HAVE to vote in the hood today

[Hu Tao]

Sus amongus

[Hu Tao]

Titus could be scum I guess but idk

[Hu Tao]

Titus could be scum I guess but idk

If you think Ranger is scum, why are you not voting there?

I'm fine with letting the claim live

[Hu Tao]

I can only post phone emojis when I quote someone not when I'm just making a post. Why?

[Hu Tao]

Titus could be scum I guess but idk

If you think Ranger is scum, why are you not voting there?

I'm fine with letting the claim live

Why?

Vig seems fun

[Hu Tao]

Good work town! Thanks for hosting alianna!