Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Aya Shameimaru]

What I'm trying to say is...

the odds we have 2 town Ninjas and 2 town Watchers is 0%.

[Yuuka Kazami]

They would totally do that. No joke.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What I'm trying to say is...

the odds we have 2 town Ninjas and 2 town Watchers is 0%.

Before we get all excited: There's been plenty of "No way we have X" this game so can you lay down your exact logic here?

[Aya Shameimaru]

Right but what you said is also weird because I am able to self watch without restriction.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

They would totally do that. No joke.

Yeah that

[Aya Shameimaru]

What I'm trying to say is...

the odds we have 2 town Ninjas and 2 town Watchers is 0%.

Before we get all excited: There's been plenty of "No way we have X" this game so can you lay down your exact logic here?

Sure. Town was gifted a Bodyguard, a commuting Cop, Sanae's whole nonsense, Tenshi's whole nonsense, a one shot unlockable redirector and TWO WATCHERS? Two UNLIMITED watchers?

[Aya Shameimaru]

Sorry but no. Too much town power. Watchers are special because redirectors dont even hurt them that badly.

[Aya Shameimaru]

If the Watchers are both town, a ninja is scum.

If the ninjas are both town, a watcher is scum.

I'm conf town sooooo

[Aya Shameimaru]

One of you two is scum with a role they felt was safe enough to claim.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Right but what you said is also weird because I am able to self watch without restriction.

Sure. But I’m not scum
And you’re very unlikely to be scum, so.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I think my claim is pretty safe. Comparatively to Kaguyas. Though they had a lot more to juggle.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If the Watchers are both town, a ninja is scum.

If the ninjas are both town, a watcher is scum.

I'm conf town sooooo

Running that logic to the end: Do we have a reason to assume scum dont have a Ninja that they kept quiet about?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Does Reisen count as a ninja? I never really figured out how aesthetic works beyond that nothing non-faction direct target works on them unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Would they have been seen visiting?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Playerlist:

1. Tenshi Hinanawi -

   Tenshi Hinanawi
   
   
2. Aya Shameimaru -
   Aya Shameimaru
   • Wind Sign "Wind God's Fan" [Spellcard/Night] Deflector, resolves first
     
   • [Spellcard] Make all PTs found with PT Cop ability public
     
   • [Active/Night] PT Cop
     
   • [Passive] Invisible to action investigatives
3. Yuuka Kazami -
   Yuuka Kazami
   • [Spellcard] Unknown, used N1 on Clownpiece
     
   • [Spellcard] Unknown
     
   • [Active/Night] Self-watch
     
   • [Passive] Notifies anyone visiting her that she's part of the scum team
4. Kaguya Houraisan -
   Wakasagihime
   • [Spellcard/Night] - Effects targetting me resolve as if Strongwilled, get 3 fish total when combined with singing
     
   • [Spellcard/Night] - Doctor a single person per two fish
     
   • [Active/Night] - Sing to get 1 fish (Resolves before my spellcards)
     
   • [Passive] - Invisible to action investigatives
     
   • [Passive] - In a hood with Daiyousei
5. Kagerou Imaizumi -
   Marisa Kirisame
   • Love Sign "Master Spark" [Spellcard/Night] Juggernaut, can't be recharged
     
   • Magic Sign "Stardust Reverie" [Spellcard] Enter a hood, if it's temporary make it permanent
     
   • Burglary [Active/Night] Flavor Cop with extra effects
     
   • [Passive] Mod Confirmed to be
     Marisa Kirisame
6. Koishi Komeiji -
   Youmu Konpaku
   • [Spellcard/Night] Change Compulsive Fixed Bodyguard target, both Koishi and new target are bulletproof for the night, informed if anyone attacked Koishi or new target
     
   • [Spellcard] Unknown
     
   • [Active/Night] Compulsive Fixed Bodyguard, target gets Strongwilled if Koishi dies at night
     
   • [Passive] Immune to Day Abilities, including vote multipliers
7. Eternity Larva -

   Seiran
   
   
8. Ichirin Kumoi -

   Medicine Melancholy
   
   
9. Daiyousei -
   Daiyousei
   • [Spellcard] Unknown, used it to check Yuuka/Reisen/Koishi d1
     
   • [Spellcard] Unknown
     
   • [Active/Night] Redirect all actions targeting her to her target, if her target dies she dies
     
   • [Passive] Come back to life after dying
     
   • Misty Lake Resident [Passive] In a Hood with Kaguya Houraisan
10. Marisa Kirisame -
    Remilia Scarlet
    /
    Flandre Scarlet
    • [Spellcard] Unknown
      
    • [Spellcard] Unknown
      
    • [Active] Unknown
      
    • [Passive] Unknown
      
    • Scarlet Devil Mansion [Passive] You are in a neighborhood with Sanae Kochiya
11. Clownpiece -

    Toyosatomimi no Miko
    
    
12. Reisen Udongein Inaba - Unknown, Lunarian
    • [Spellcard] Semi-protective
      
    • [Spellcard] Offset an action by a phase
      
    • [Active] Shut down PT
      
    • [Passive] Ascetic
      
    • [Passive] In a neighborhood with Eternity Larva at night
13. Sanae Kochiya -

    Patchouli Knowledge

Known scum abilities:

• Spellcard Blocker - Used on Sanae N1
  
• Passive ability disabler - Used on Kagerou N1 and Kaguya N2

Assuming roles are formatted as:
Spellcard
Spellcard
Active
Passive
Passive Hood

Aya Town
Yuuka's confirmed to have the super miller by Dai
Kaguya Town
Kagerou has the flavor mod confirmed as a passive
Koishi Town
Daiyousei Reviver
Marisa who knows
Reisen confirmed ascetic by Dai

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Does Reisen count as a ninja? I never really figured out how aesthetic works beyond that nothing non-faction direct target works on them unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Would they have been seen visiting?

Ascetic just roleblocks all actions targetting them except for kills

[Yuuka Kazami]

Okay so they would have been watched. Their claim was confirmed too, so that helps some. Or something like it anyway.

[Koishi Komeiji]

I told a little fib about my role.

Well once the others get on with it, i've got one last thing of my own as well.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Reisen are you reisen or are you another flavor?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Okay in that case I need a Yuuka claim with N1 actions and a Reisen claim with n1 actions.

I’m a contagious watcher. This isn’t the word but it’s what it means.
Whoever visits who I watch gets a flower and then the next night they get watched Too They’re informed about the flower but not what it does.

My spell card was wasted. Because clown dodged. Other than that I can self watch non-consecutively.

And when I’m visited a player receives a message that I’m an incident causer.

Is there any way to not get a flower? Like way you're wording this the only way for flowers to be gone is "Not successfully use the ability" and "Lim flower holder during day"

[Yuuka Kazami]

Let me get the exact wording. Or rather let me get the exact meaning one sec.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I really want Marisa to actually get here and claim already

[Yuuka Kazami]

The flower is next to the player. The flower blooms if they are visited by another player and then that visitor gets a flower that will also bloom if they are visited. Each flower can only bloom once per player.
I think Reisen, commuter, hider and role blocker for spell cards would make it fail. There are probably some other roles that would mess with it too.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

That seems... really strong? Like solve the game by yourself tier strong

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I wanna sleep on this and see how much Marisa being scum makes sense cause she's the only person without a verified Passive

[Marisa Kirisame]

oh yeah no, i disable actives

actually i had my passive disabled last day, that was the thing that i didn't wanna claim since like, it's not like it was changing anything and it could actually mess scum up a bit

Was it disabled for the day only or also for the night?

until the end of night 2

Hi Okay so I have some info to reveal. Namely that I am indeed the passive disabler but I targeted Daiyousei night 1, not Kagerou.

Meaning that I was redirected.