Open 909 | A Newbie Game | Game Over

[KayJayQueue]

Look at this point, I don’t think anyone will get the support to be limmed. This flip will give us way more information than any other flip, in my opinion. No matter the flip, we can analyze the support/resistance as well as the night kill and be in a better position to solve the game Day 2.

Dear players:
If my argument doesn’t seem logical or you’re actively against it, and/or furthermore, if you are scumreading me from anything D1, including this - just vote me and take a stand.

We need to do something.

What information will you have with a scum vs town flip here?

Who was actively pushing counter wagons, who was pushing more people to get put at e-1 to claim after snivy claimed VT, who seemed to have tmi if the flip isn’t red, etc. Voting patterns are only going to be indicative if snivy goes because of how consistent the wagon vs counter wagon has been.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: mango

I’d prefer ketchup but that aint happening. One of kjq/ketchup is bad. I think hem is townie as well as zach, I think snivy gets a pass for the moment. Ydrasse/Purple/Ketchup is where I think the scum is in. I don’t think Kay makes this stance as a wolf.

[JacksonVirgo]

Look at this point, I don’t think anyone will get the support to be limmed. This flip will give us way more information than any other flip, in my opinion. No matter the flip, we can analyze the support/resistance as well as the night kill and be in a better position to solve the game Day 2.

Dear players:
If my argument doesn’t seem logical or you’re actively against it, and/or furthermore, if you are scumreading me from anything D1, including this - just vote me and take a stand.

We need to do something.

What information will you have with a scum vs town flip here?

Who was actively pushing counter wagons, who was pushing more people to get put at e-1 to claim after snivy claimed VT, who seemed to have tmi if the flip isn’t red, etc. Voting patterns are only going to be indicative if snivy goes because of how consistent the wagon vs counter wagon has been.

I’m asking who would you find implicated with either flip

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry for not being clearer with that

[KayJayQueue]

Scum implicates purple, ydra, hem, jack
Town implicates SF, me, ketchup, hem in a different way

Zach feels null to either.

I don’t WANT to scumread hem but it’s just weird to be so certain about something he can’t know. I don’t get him at all.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i've just been around, kjq. i know what a town flips looks like moments before disaster

[JacksonVirgo]

Explain why hem is in both please Kay

[KayJayQueue]

Explain why hem is in both please Kay

Have you caught up? I’ve been repeating myself.

[KayJayQueue]

i've just been around, kjq. i know what a town flips looks like moments before disaster

Yes yes, experienced player uses the argument “trust me bro” in newbie game, everyone bow down.

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's not like i haven't told you that snivy's entrance was +town and the gamestate indicates +town. I'm trying to explain my confidence, and you're just mocking me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

why do you mock me, kjq? what have i done to deserve this treatment?

[KayJayQueue]

What exactly do you guys want me to do? Vote purple? That gives us nothing right now. I’ll vote him D2.

I mean answer the same questions you’re all asking me about snivy. What info do we get if purple flips town? Please tell me.

[KayJayQueue]

why do you mock me, kjq? what have i done to deserve this treatment?

It’s not meant to be mocking. It’s frustration with experienced players treating new players like they’re idiots. I joined a newbie game to avoid that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

where have i treated you like an idiot? all this time i have tried to reach out to you with my reasons and I've never been personal. it is not my fault that i have played more games than you, and i cannot ignore the patterns I've picked up playing the game. you can only corroborate the truth in that by asking other experienced players.

from your question, purple's play leans scum, and the way he's playing positions him as a low-hanging fruit in eliminate-or-lose if he's town. we get more out of his flip than him staying in the game.

[KayJayQueue]

And you think those of us that have camped on this wagon are just going to forget all of our sus? Snivy is just as much a candidate for a lim every single day he’s still here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i would rather have snivy playing in day 2 and not having the excuse that he just subbed in to have a clearer read of his play. i do not think mango's play will drastically change the next day.

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t think he has that excuse anymore and he’s still not contributing much of anything substantial. Neither of them are solving or trying to help town in any way, why not lim the one with stronger support for his wagon that has claimed VT so if we’re wrong at least we don’t hit a PR on a mislim.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i will not stop you from pursuing snivy, if that's what you think. but i will pursue purplemango because i still can. both are viable options and i am trying to steer the game in a state where i think yields the best info after day 1. having two strong wagons than a locked one wagon with people around it seemingly indifferent about snivy's flip (even indicating that it might be town) is a way better gamestate. i will also be telling you what i think about our gamestate and how i think about snivy will be flipping.

[KayJayQueue]

It’s probably just both of them which would be hilarious after last game.

[Purplemango]

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If snivy isn’t scum and ketchup and I are town, he should be hammered already. After this long? He should be. So my conclusion is that he’s scum.

It could also be that scum didn't do it because of such a point
Like, if they weren't connected enough Just saying something random and hammer is not effective
And assuming that snivy is really town, protecting him can help look more towny

btw, ydrasse said she is gonna hammer if no one has anything to add, it might be relevant

Although it feels to me more like her usual way of playing, not something necessarily scummy. so i don't know

[StraightFlush]

Pls don't replace me dann-senpai

Not much more to say rn, thread is very stagnant. Despite agreeing with many of his points I will say it's strange how much ketchup is tunneling this hammer, I think he's trying to overrationalize a lot of his thought processes and that can be sign of insecure scum. Definitely leaning more toward SR than TR now, I was less sure before. Ydrasse is heading the opposite direction, I like how she's handling things currently

Sidenote: Out of respect for his health issues, I will assume Zach's current activity is NAI.

[ketchup777]

Scum implicates purple, ydra, hem, jack
Town implicates SF, me, ketchup, hem in a different way

Zach feels null to either.

I don’t WANT to scumread hem but it’s just weird to be so certain about something he can’t know. I don’t get him at all.

If camel scum, KJQ, Zach, flush town based off interactions. idk what to conclude if camel town

[ketchup777]

first person to hammer gets my doctor shot tonight!

[KayJayQueue]

If he’s town then his previous slot owners condemned him and he didn’t help himself by not really offering anything helpful since he repped in. I dunno what else to say. He knew he was being scumread and didn’t seem overly concerned with fixing that.

[camelCasedSnivy]

hot take: i think that mango can be sorted later