Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Koishi Komeiji]

Presumably, a tryhard entry from scum means town was finally on the right path on their partner. So that would be reisen+Wolf as your call?

[Aya Shameimaru]

*stares into mirror*

"Aya"
"Aya"
"Aya"

Summon thyself.

Yo

You have homework. ISO me.

homeworkkkk ;-;

okie, will do

[Yuuka Kazami]

Presumably, a tryhard entry from scum means town was finally on the right path on their partner. So that would be reisen+Wolf as your call?

Is that presumable? I’m saying that town and scum wolf have some level of pride. Or else they wouldn’t even make large posts like that.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m still at those three. What they’ve, Kagerou, has specifically done since they replaced in bothers me, but not on the activity side of things, they’re a replacement. There is going to be significant variance.

Their “I gave them a chance, but alas, they dodged, sure they’ve made a duck load of posts with a bunch of positions, but they just wouldn’t directly talk to me about it. And as I hopefully pointed out, my style is to interact with people, therefore I am consistent because I said I wouldn’t really generate reads based off of history”

Then they proceeded to, I think make a history/context heavy case on Dai and I as the team. I really haven’t read it. But it sounds like it got into the weeds. So,
That’s weird and not consistent, but I mean, they were just giving me a primer on how they operate and I don’t think I’d really expect all their quirks, contradictions and behaviors to be nearly summarized like that.

But they gave themselves cover with it. ~.~

[Yuuka Kazami]

Neatly summarized like that*

[Yuuka Kazami]

It also depends if I buy that their independent read
Resulted in one town and one unknown that I’m leaning town on.
I’d much rather they had focused on finding just one scum or one or two town they’re convinced of.

But their existence isn’t dictated by my preferences.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Then they also proceeded to active lurk while I posted a bunch. Which contradicts their style, but I mean.
They probably were aware of how that would look and let it happen.

On the other hand I don’t know what other people notice.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I’m still at those three. What they’ve, Kagerou, has specifically done since they replaced in bothers me, but not on the activity side of things, they’re a replacement. There is going to be significant variance.

Their “I gave them a chance, but alas, they dodged, sure they’ve made a duck load of posts with a bunch of positions, but they just wouldn’t directly talk to me about it. And as I hopefully pointed out, my style is to interact with people, therefore I am consistent because I said I wouldn’t really generate reads based off of history”

Then they proceeded to, I think make a history/context heavy case on Dai and I as the team. I really haven’t read it. But it sounds like it got into the weeds. So,
That’s weird and not consistent, but I mean, they were just giving me a primer on how they operate and I don’t think I’d really expect all their quirks, contradictions and behaviors to be nearly summarized like that.

But they gave themselves cover with it. ~.~

This is an awkward twist worthy of a medal. I am not reading every post, but that doesn't mean I don't value past events. I open myself up to challenge as a way to prevent tunneling. I'm not aimlessly searching through posts and imposing my thought train on every single one. If I search, I look for a question to be answered. It's real easy to just get into a tunnel and not listen to a player because they are scum and it doesn't fit into a worldview.

Giving you a roadmap on how to talk to me is somehow evil?

Am I supposed to just magically divine reads in a vacuum?

If you are seeing something no one else sees, I'd like to hear it.

[Yuuka Kazami]

1. There are long chains of posts this day phase where all I do is ask the first question that comes to mind. I spent a lot of time wrapping my head around the day’s events and figuring out roles
2. I’m not sure what I’m supposed to say to the evil comment. I guess the word choice, ‘evil’ is interesting in the sense that it’s kind of blatantly trying to make me sound unreasonable, even though I did not call them evil or that they were evil for doing so, or that in multiple posts I said “well, they replaced in so they kind of have to be this way” it’s just that I’ve been scum before and I’ve taken that sort of blameless position before where I asked them questions: “tried to read them they just darned dang wouldn’t cooperate so I killed them you all saw it!” So I recognize that position.
3. *turns down snark volume per gif request*
Ahem. No. No I do not expect you to do so in a vacuum. What I expect, is that you don’t go looking for excuses to vote people based off of some misguided sense of fairness or manners. I have 900 posts. Dumped everywhere. Asking me for reads when every post is a take or a read or a joke or a question or me trying to figure something out is invalidating.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I see a lot, hence all the posts. I just can’t make good sense of it all.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Don't mistake me as virtue signaling nonsense. I'm not a saint. I just want to get inside your head. I want to understand the route you are taking in an efficient matter. Mafia is like 15 people driving a clown car competing between two or more destinations. We gradually throw people out until we find a way. I'm wanting to understand how you're jerking the car to confirm or dispel my suspicions you're driving us to mafia headquarters.

The difference is what people do with the questions. If you can't give me guideposts, then I don't really care if I'm wrong.

[Yuuka Kazami]

I neither think you’re virtue signaling nor do I think you’re a saint.

I’m saying the guide posts are there. They have already been given. Want a look into my mindset? Grab a post. I brain dump everywhere and most of my posts this game have been sincere and earnest.
Sometimes dismissive or snarky or discounting, but they’re there.

[Yuuka Kazami]

In the context of this game I just find a scum team with me and Dai in it, unlikely. Dismissive? Well, I know my alignment I’m going to dismiss it and then look at it again to see if the suspicion is sincere or not.

I need to sleep.

[Yuuka Kazami]

For clarity purposes I would like to know when you two, Kagiya and Dai, full claimed to each other.

Date please.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Flavor wise, would my character be expected to have the role she has? I'm trying to understand how you can confidently clear reisen off of flavor like this.

There's over 40 canon Youmu spellcards and I'm not that interested in going over all of them when you're conftown so I'd put this down as a "There might be an obscure spellcard that would let you do it"

Reisen's case is slightly different though since her spellcards in IN, StB, and Hisoutenku also have canon flavoring instead of just a canon name, so the design space is a lot smaller unless you're drawing from SWR (Fighting game), LoLK (Player Character and the only new spellcard is "Evil Undulation"), or ULiL (Fighting game). Those games are much less mainline though whereas IN is Reisen's "Main Game" so it's much more likely for GIF to be drawing from there

[Kaguya Houraisan]

5386 is dismissable. I cast 2 spells at night. Hood check and theft of object.

Mechanic Information

• Each spellcard can only be used once, unless mentioned otherwise.
  
• Only one spellcard can be used at a time, unless mentioned otherwise.
  
• Spellcards can be used along with Active abilities, unless mentioned otherwise.
  
• To use a spellcard, PM me as if you would use your regular ability.

Burglary Active, Master Spark Spellcard

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Whatever. Theory is that Reisen’s theory of Kaguya/Yuuka activity and scum kill along with their general inactivity is a hitigarashi scum tell.

What's a hitagarashi scumtell

[Kaguya Houraisan]

For clarity purposes I would like to know when you two, Kagiya and Dai, full claimed to each other.

Date please.

I fullclaimed in the Misty Lake ~4 hours after the Sanae flip N2, Dai claims her active after that
Dai claimed a day ability that let her check Koishi/Reisen/Yuuka around two days into D1

Rest of Dai's claims would be in thread

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Flavor wise, would my character be expected to have the role she has? I'm trying to understand how you can confidently clear reisen off of flavor like this.

There's over 40 canon Youmu spellcards and I'm not that interested in going over all of them when you're conftown so I'd put this down as a "There might be an obscure spellcard that would let you do it"

Misread this as you asking about being able to spellblock

Yes absolutely Youmu the trained Gardener and Bodyguard of Yuyuko would be expected to have the stuff you have

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Like "Hmm a canon bodyguard, let's make her a bodyguard" writes itself

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Reisen's canon abilities all revolve around the manipulation of wavelengths, which in practice she only really uses to cause hallucinations and insanity

[Kaguya Houraisan]

And from the not related to abilities side she's Eirin's apprentice (Super Doctor that made the Hourai Elixir which makes anyone who drinks it unable to die) and does errands for her and also tends to be the test subject for Eirin's shady drugs. The design space just isn't really there to make her a spellcard blocker

[Yuuka Kazami]

Whatever. Theory is that Reisen’s theory of Kaguya/Yuuka activity and scum kill along with their general inactivity is a hitigarashi scum tell.

What's a hitagarashi scumtell

Someone that applies a general principle e. g., “all scum vote 3rd on the wagon” to a specific player rather than using the context of the player’s actions. To read them.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Is a combination of no lim and:
Reisen uses Illusion Seeker on Koishi
Koishi Bodyguards Aya
Aya watches Marisa
Marisa uses guilty generator
optimal?

If Koishi/Aya gets shot Reisen delays Koishi's death until the next night
If Marisa gets shot Aya sees the kill
If Marisa survives the guilty generator gets used
Both conftown always survive until tomorrow, and the number of mislims available stays the same

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Is a combination of no lim and:
Reisen uses Illusion Seeker on Koishi
Koishi Bodyguards Aya
Aya watches Marisa
Marisa uses guilty generator
optimal?

If Koishi/Aya gets shot Reisen delays Koishi's death until the next night
If Marisa gets shot Aya sees the kill
If Marisa survives the guilty generator gets used
Both conftown always survive until tomorrow, and the number of mislims available stays the same

Why can't we lim and have the same pattern as long as we don't lim Reisen or Marisa?