Open 908: Aureal Is Hoarding All The Game Names | Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

I'm still kinda annoyed at the whole

- dann suggests black is scum
- I ask others for input on solving black's alignment
- black says I'm scum for pandering to your scumread
- v little input on solving black's alignment

eh fuck it
VOTE: Black
I don't really think this goes over super well for me but a minimum of [PC, NM] are aggressively not playing this game so idk if there's a whole lot of point in me tryharding any more!!

Scumplaining

[Dannflor]

and just like that NM makes me doubt my whole case

[Dannflor]

you know i heard somewhere that not_mafia's reads were better than rand

[Klick]

Dann
One town in {Black, implosion, the worst, Not_Mafia}
Who do you pick

[the worst]

I've gone and looked through a few duck games but I feel like I haven't gotten much of use out of them

I feel like the biggest difference between tw-town and tw-scum is a level of comfort and enjoyment that I've only seen from them as town. I think the worst is relaxing and enjoying this game at a level that's similar to their town play
But I think that's hard to really rely on, because 1) the worst has already talked about how they've been enjoying Mafia more on the whole lately since their return, and 2) this is a particularly enjoyable game/playerlist to the point that even if they're scum, I could see them having this level of fun anyway

Outside of that, nothing that the worst has posted in this game feels outside the level of engagement he's capable of as scum.

Sorry to make it worse but that definitely shifts over time. I'm on record saying that metric is a better indicator of my mood than my alignment in like, a holistic meta sense, and I still think that's probably true.

[Klick]

That's basically what I'm saying?

Outside of that context, would you say you enjoy playing town or scum more

[the worst]

I do think some people can vibe check my alignment. Like the example that jumps to mind is Koba who finds my town & scum games like night and day. Don't tell them I credited that though

it changes like the wind but over all, scum

[Dannflor]

Dann
One town in {Black, implosion, the worst, Not_Mafia}
Who do you pick

this should not as hard as it is

[Dannflor]

I'm thinking

[Dannflor]

i think ultimately if i had to bet the game on one of those slots being town right in this moment I would choose the worst

[Klick]

That's the problem

Your 1023 sums up my thoughts irt Not_Mafia rather well
I don't have a confident answer for a townread outside of you/PC. But I don't feel like I'll arrive at a confident answer on Not_Mafia either way, whereas I could see myself at least coming to some sort of understanding about any of the other three

[Klick]

I think implosion is still the player I have a semi-decent gut feeling about actually flipping *scum*, as opposed to just feeling unsure about the others

[the worst]

Okay I walked away and tried to do a little mental reset thing and reread the first half of D1

We should probably just yeet Not_Mafia today tbh

I don't think anyone has a compelling reason for NM to be town. If I'm honest with myself, I don't want to vote him because scum!Not_Mafia is an unsatisfying answer and as a mafia addict I'm forever chasing the dopamine of catching someone who is actually trying to play the game. But, like, a lesson I keep having to relearn is that more often than not games are actually easier than I want them to be.

Looking back over D1 with a clearer head, I think the associations between Black/ceejay are kinda unintuitive from buddies. I think Ceejay's entrance town read on Black is just like statistically more likely to be the type of read that lands on a random townie rather than a scum team mate. ceejay later did this thing where he kinda forgot that he walked back the read on Black a little and I think he would've kept better track of that if Black was his scum partner. Black town reads ceejay in a lukewarm kind of way but then makes 436 and later does the weird hammer thing and that's just a super not straightforward, uncomittal, and unintuitive way to distance with a scum partner. I don't think it's out of Black's scum range to hard defend her partner or to bus, but the specific hedgey way she kind of did both and neither just feels like someone genuinely uninformed of ceejay's alignment. I also think someone hammering ceejay because they have a strong PR read and want to ride the cred to end game would've played around the hammer in a more performative way.

the main argument purported that Not_Mafia might be town is that he entered the thread calling ceejay scum

looking at this entrance in context, it's important to note that ceejay was already at 3 votes at this time and had been called out by the worst as the most likely lim if the day were to suddenly end. but Not_Mafia doesn't join the wagon and instead votes the worst

like does the progression of the VC in 431 to 434 without a vote, to 578 fit any conceivable model of town!NM?

When Not_Mafia rejoins the ceejay wagon in 650, the wagons between ceejay and the worst are tied, and NM only moves from the worst to ceejay after I state that we should just go ceejay, there's talk of consolidation, and Black asks ceejay for a claim.

after ostensible scum reading the worst d1, not_mafia goes from sheepin the worst today, to voting the worst

that's like the bulk of his content and I can't really read much of it but I guess I'd expect some sort of coherent trajectory from him and like if Not_mafia's partner was ceejay I'm not sure NM would really play this any different than he has

so like yeah i just want to kill this VOTE: Not Mafia

at this point we have 1 scum left with no associations to hunt for so it's not like Not_Mafia is suddenly going to be producing any more alignment indicative content anyway

This is definitely how you get the good ending of this game and I do think at least it means we can have two more gruelling days of the rest of us yelling and crying and suffering.

I have NM and Black at roughly the same point and I think NM is a more correct lim and I don't super often feel like that.

[the worst]

you know i heard somewhere that not_mafia's reads were better than rand

did I explain this meme earlier in the game or was that a hallucination

[Dannflor]

can i just triple vigilante kill nm/implosion/black tonight

is that ok with u guys

[Dannflor]

you know i heard somewhere that not_mafia's reads were better than rand

did I explain this meme earlier in the game or was that a hallucination

you did, it was a callback

[the worst]

I think implosion is still the player I have a semi-decent gut feeling about actually flipping *scum*, as opposed to just feeling unsure about the others

this is interesting. implo is in a blind spot for me because I think low-key I kinda maybe want it to be black a little. But if I had to pick one person out of those three who endgames bc I'm elim'd atm I'd choose implosion and I don't feel awesome about it.

pedit: sure go for it

[the worst]

you know i heard somewhere that not_mafia's reads were better than rand

did I explain this meme earlier in the game or was that a hallucination

you did, it was a callback

love your work

[Black]

Black is probably technically a better lim.

I actually don't really mind which of black/NM we yeet today all that much. It could just be either of them without really disrupting my evaluation of the gamestate and I'm not sure how to get over this roadblock.

I guess it dawns on me if that if dann is scum he probably benefits from having a NM with non-zero scum equity around for another day but eh this is a thought exercise

I'm a bit melancholic bc I don't think I'm getting much further in isolation and I don't think anyone but dann is really interested in solving with me. Klick & implo you've both asked me to do things or asked me things I think but I don't know how to like, engage with either of y'all about interesting ideas. I feel like it's kinda doing homework.

so much pedit

This is definitely how you get the good ending of this game and I do think at least it means we can have two more gruelling days of the rest of us yelling and crying and suffering.

I have NM and Black at roughly the same point and

I think NM is a more correct lim

and I don't super often feel like that.

What made you change your mind here?

[the worst]

Black is probably technically a better lim.

I actually don't really mind which of black/NM we yeet today all that much. It could just be either of them without really disrupting my evaluation of the gamestate and I'm not sure how to get over this roadblock.

I guess it dawns on me if that if dann is scum he probably benefits from having a NM with non-zero scum equity around for another day but eh this is a thought exercise

I'm a bit melancholic bc I don't think I'm getting much further in isolation and I don't think anyone but dann is really interested in solving with me. Klick & implo you've both asked me to do things or asked me things I think but I don't know how to like, engage with either of y'all about interesting ideas. I feel like it's kinda doing homework.

so much pedit

This is definitely how you get the good ending of this game and I do think at least it means we can have two more gruelling days of the rest of us yelling and crying and suffering.

I have NM and Black at roughly the same point and

I think NM is a more correct lim

and I don't super often feel like that.

What made you change your mind here?

this answer is going to suck. it's better tied to my indecision & neural function than to like, any specific thing that changed within those 38 posts. in a kind of abstract backwards way, limming you or limming NM are kind of interchangeable for me today.

you're a bit complicated. just bear with me - regardless of my wincon i benefit from you being removed from the game. if you're town we are just not finding each other. i keep going back and forth on whether your play even makes sense as town and whether the hammer is borderline clearing or utterly damning. at some point i'd very much like you flipped. you're also quite tunneled on me & i'm kind of tired of trying to find novel ways to sort you because i think dann and i are liable to accidentally echo chamber on the issues i have with you, and i don't think implo/klick are picking up what i'm putting down. so i guess from a solving utility & survival standpoint, both my slot & my ability to solve this game are strictly better off if you're yeeted today.

nm is less complicated. i liked his distance from ceejay on d1 at face value. i sort of just townbinned him for a hot minute off it, but thinking back, i don't really know if i actually care all that much about it. if i feel like the balance of the players in this game are town (say during my weird eras where i just have these moments of hallucination where you & implosion seem towny) then we should absolutely yeet NM. this is because we are not looking for scum who are manipulating the gamestate. we are looking for scum who are a void in the gamestate. the voids in this playerlist are NM and PC, and PC is cleared.


also weird aside, i really like NM. it's frustrating as hell trying to solve a game when he's only half vibing. feeling stuck and shitpushing NM is also just, like, epically something i'm completely capable of doing as scum. so i have a bit of a guilt association pushing him even though honestly his lim just makes a lot of sense??? i also sort of wonder if this is in the fnords of dann's push on NM as well.

[the worst]

i guess if PC has time to do one thing i'd love his input on black. i don't think PC is a bad player at all btw he's just confirmed town, clearly busy, and checked out, which is a little vexing.

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