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Post Post #5750 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:27 am

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In post 5730, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Kaguya did not stop to consider why Marisa made the error of not speed eliminating. They were a very real option of who Marisa would dictate the elimination to if they wanted. It was goal directed behavior.
I assumed Marisa was trying to force a Reisen quadvote into a Yuuka 1v1 at ELO and just messed up by not noticing she needs to revote after the updated votecount
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Post Post #5751 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:27 am

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Yes, I understood that, that’s part of the reason I voted with you.
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Post Post #5752 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:30 am

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In post 5743, Yuuka Kazami wrote: I’m not sure how to interpret Reisen’s am I dead? Post. I see that Marisa voted them then popped their ability so I get where they’re coming from. From that angle

I’m not sure if that’s the natural town response to that, since a town’s person usually would throw suspicion somewhere if they weren’t sure or struggle in some manner, perhaps with a read’s list or something. I think there may be an angle of possible relief and vague amusement in their fingers crossed post. But that’s reading into them, when it’s just not really there.
Someone said she was quadvoter, I checked the vc and it said 4 votes to kill so I just thought I was dead. I don’t think it needs to be said to kill Marisa after I flip. Which clears you if they had flipped scum but. We’re here instead.
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Post Post #5753 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:38 am

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Kagerou Burglarized and Master Sparked N1, unless she had a spellcard that can be used with other spellcards all her N1 actions are accounted for

Scum Spellblocker is therefore in Yuuka/Reisen

Yuuka deviates from the "standard" by only having one spellcard, Reisen deviates from the "standard" by having an extra passive. This doesn't help me figure out who's the spellblocker other than by telling me one of them is lying about their role PM.
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Post Post #5754 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:39 am

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I wanna look at if it makes sense for Dai to have been shot N2
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Post Post #5755 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:40 am

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In post 5748, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: So I have 2 pieces of information, kind of. Kaguya targeted themselves last night. Doesn’t make them not!scum it just makes them not the one performing nightkills.

This also means either scum can’t roleblock anymore OR kaguya is the roleblocker and blocked themselves.

I haven’t looked back on the claims list but I think it can be narrowed down since multiple spell cards can’t be used the same night. Actives can be used with spell cards though.

Mech mommy tell me what it means.
Kaguya did you target yourself?
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Post Post #5756 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:41 am

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Additional question Reissn, did you pop your ability for player to force them to target themselves?
Because you should have popped it given it was melo and no one claimed a killing role.
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Post Post #5757 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:42 am

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I wouldn't know, I just use my active and get fish
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Post Post #5758 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:43 am

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In post 5756, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Additional question Reissn, did you pop your ability for player to force them to target themselves?
Because you should have popped it given it was melo and no one claimed a killing role.
In post 5748, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: So I have 2 pieces of information, kind of. Kaguya targeted themselves last night. Doesn’t make them not!scum it just makes them not the one performing nightkills.
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Post Post #5759 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:43 am

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Oh, I see Reisen made you target yourself. So either they did the kill, they’re lying and you did the kill or kagerou did the kill.
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Post Post #5760 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:48 am

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In post 5754, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I wanna look at if it makes sense for Dai to have been shot N2
Dai getting shot would validate the Yuuka scum + lying about spellcards/actives world, otherwise I think I want to vote Reisen here
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Post Post #5761 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:48 am

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Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?
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Post Post #5762 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:54 am

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In post 5761, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?
Can't actually, if I think someone's scum and I can win a 1v1 I'll drop the first vote when I'm ready if you still haven't voted
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Post Post #5763 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 6:55 am

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In post 5761, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?
That’s fine. I make my own solves in melo/elo, but it’s an ego thing not a “I must have this go my way no matter what” thing just because I wanna give a solve before winning/losing to be accountable to myself
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Post Post #5764 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:01 am

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Kagerou what did Burglary give you from Yuuka?
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Post Post #5765 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:10 am

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If Kagerou is town that means scum had to deal with
  1. Aya redirect spellcard + Watcher active
  2. Kaguya multi-doc spellcard
  3. Sanae Doctor spellcard + Tracker Spellcard + Roleblocker Spellcard
  4. Tenshi BP spellcard
  5. Koishi BG active + double BP spellcard
  6. Clownpiece non-consec Commuter Active
with just a single Spellblock. I don't think that makes much sense
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Post Post #5766 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:12 am

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If Kagerou is scum that means scum had to deal with
  1. Aya redirect spellcard + Watcher active
  2. Kaguya multi-doc spellcard
  3. Sanae Doctor spellcard + Tracker Spellcard + Roleblocker Spellcard
  4. Tenshi BP spellcard
  5. Koishi BG active + double BP spellcard
  6. Clownpiece non-consec Commuter Active
  7. Yuuka contageous Watcher/Reisen self-targetizer
with a single Spellblock and a scum Unstoppable Vig shot. This makes slightly more sense but it's still pretty bad
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Post Post #5767 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:13 am

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Am I missing something that would make this setup playable for scum?
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Post Post #5768 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:19 am

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In post 5762, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5761, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?
Can't actually, if I think someone's scum and I can win a 1v1 I'll drop the first vote when I'm ready if you still haven't voted
Yeah and then I will vote you.
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Post Post #5769 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:19 am

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I don't think Kagerou's the townie here and I kinda wanna vote there, anyone see anything I'm missing?
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Post Post #5770 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:20 am

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So just be aware of that. I'm kind of over this game but it I am going to invest I am gonna do it with my own terms and my own shot.

I die tonight, so, I'm taking my shot at this and then y'all can deal with ELO.
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Post Post #5771 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:20 am

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In post 5769, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I don't think Kagerou's the townie here and I kinda wanna vote there, anyone see anything I'm missing?
If you vote.

Without my consent.

I will vote you.

You know I am town.

If you are town that is a game loss condition.
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Post Post #5772 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:21 am

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In post 5768, Aya Shameimaru wrote:
In post 5762, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5761, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?
Can't actually, if I think someone's scum and I can win a 1v1 I'll drop the first vote when I'm ready if you still haven't voted
Yeah and then I will vote you.
You have no idea how much willpower it's taking to not just immediately drop a vote while quoting this post is here
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Post Post #5773 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:21 am

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I am telling you that you don't get to decide who dies today. I do.
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Post Post #5774 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 7:21 am

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In post 5772, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5768, Aya Shameimaru wrote:
In post 5762, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5761, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay can we agree that no townie should be voting on a wagon without me today?
Can't actually, if I think someone's scum and I can win a 1v1 I'll drop the first vote when I'm ready if you still haven't voted
Yeah and then I will vote you.
You have no idea how much willpower it's taking to not just immediately drop a vote while quoting this post is here
Then do it and throw as town or be scum and see if I am the type of bitch who bluffs.

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