(micro 1101) mystery box of silver 16: tinkleton (it tinkled)

[HighPrincessErinys]

in 675 you say you think Gypyx's push on PC was real, implying both they're not paired, as was your point, but that also it was a genuine read from town, and not a bad push from scum

This is the part that most confuses me.
Thinking gypyx's push on PC was real is different from thinking that Gypyx's push on PC was from town.
All it takes for a push to be real is for it to actually intend for the target of the push to end up limmed.
Scum can make real pushes.

Then we simply have different connotations of what a real push is.

[Psyche]

But do you honestly expect me to believe it was all just a hypothesis? There has to be pressure about her snow positioning for there to be that maybe, Psyche.

the word "maybe" is in my post. i acknowledged it was possible for gypyx's snow case to come from town

[Psyche]

in 675 you say you think Gypyx's push on PC was real, implying both they're not paired, as was your point, but that also it was a genuine read from town, and not a bad push from scum

This is the part that most confuses me.
Thinking gypyx's push on PC was real is different from thinking that Gypyx's push on PC was from town.
All it takes for a push to be real is for it to actually intend for the target of the push to end up limmed.
Scum can make real pushes.

Then we simply have different connotations of what a real push is.

I think I'm closer to the ordinary meaning of these words, but fine, If you say so! Now you know what I meant when I said "real push" and are better able to interpret my posts accurately.

[HighPrincessErinys]

But do you honestly expect me to believe it was all just a hypothesis? There has to be pressure about her snow positioning for there to be that maybe, Psyche.

the word "maybe" is in my post. i acknowledged it was possible for gypyx's snow case to come from town

You acknowledged it was possible but you were still presenting a literally impossible idea within the bounds of what you're saying the post was.
"gypx's snowcase was maybe a forced move after pressure around her initial snow positioning" is just LYING if there's NO PRESSURE AROUND HER INITIAL SNOW POSITION IN THE

FIRST PLACE.

It does not matter if her snowcase is from town or scum, you said something blatantly incongruent with the facts of the game.

[Psyche]

This back and forth just convinces me further that you're mafia. I don't think anyone can seriously believe I'm scum given the ISO I've put out this game. You're stretching to misinterpret my posts to enable a solve that gives you permission not to vote Gypyx once deadline gets close.

[Psyche]

But do you honestly expect me to believe it was all just a hypothesis? There has to be pressure about her snow positioning for there to be that maybe, Psyche.

the word "maybe" is in my post. i acknowledged it was possible for gypyx's snow case to come from town

You acknowledged it was possible but you were still presenting a literally impossible idea within the bounds of what you're saying the post was.
"gypx's snowcase was maybe a forced move after pressure around her initial snow positioning" is just LYING if there's NO PRESSURE AROUND HER INITIAL SNOW POSITION IN THE

FIRST PLACE.

It does not matter if her snowcase is from town or scum, you said something blatantly incongruent with the facts of the game.

You are wrong; there was pressuring.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one checked! You can check yourself! There was no Snow position for any one TO pressure until she started townreading him.

[HighPrincessErinys]

There's been pressure on Gypyx, of course there has been, but you're standing by something that NEVER HAPPENED. You concocted a fictional situation to base your hypothetical off of and now you're laying your life down for it. You're hideously tunneled at best.

[Psyche]

Here is Gypyx starting D2 with a stance on Snow:

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)

PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end

Here is Ausuka pressuring Gypyx to elaborate on her Snow stance instead of leaving it there:

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)

PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end

Where exactly is Snow's head at to you

Here is Political Clout -- another player -- pressuring Gypyx to elaborate on her Snow stance instead of leaving it there:

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

can you go over this in more detail? I think I am scumleaning snow for basically narrating the game.

Here is Gypyx's initial reply to these queries:

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)

PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end

Where exactly is Snow's head at to you

well that's exactly the thing, i think snow himself is kinda confused on where his head's at ? in a town way ofc

Gypyx makes the following post in part because two other slots pressured her to do so:

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

as i've said before, scum is probably happy to let me on my wild goose chase

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

I have 2 scumreads

these 2 scumreads make sense in a team together

A town would usually hesitate and cannot be confident about status of the player. Especially on D1.
Game solved means that there is confidence and no hesitation.
And yes, scumread does not mean scum.

Well what can i say, i'm telling you i'm that confident in my reads

not excluding that i am wrong, but so far i feel like that's a gameview that has very decent odds of being right

Ok. If you are so confident, would you agree that if one of your chosen suspects is limmed and turns town, then you should and would be limmed next day?

i'll admit, this one is the most iffy post snow made, but still, there's an attempt to keep people accountable, i kinda like it

Cakez called Ausuka, Psyche and Layla as towns and Gypyx as scum. These four and Robert are ready to lim him.

So, on Cakez' own case he should be limmed. He should have a better excuse than to say that his role requires him not to be limmed for 2 full days.

I can also hammer if needed, but Psyche seems to want more information, so will wait for a while.

This is snow's biggest attempt at generating his own reads and like, i doubt scum!snow feels the need to make this post? Basically it's a bit too convoluted to be a fabrication by scum!snow when there was a lot of steps he could choose to go through before

Well. N2 watcher means that a player should leave for 2 full days and nights to report on D3 be helpful to the town, yes? When there are potentially 3 towns and 2 scums, so an ELo?

kinda mindmelded with that and like, i think scum!snow would be self conscious enough to *not* deliberately choose to copy what i've said previously

Now that I've quoted all these posts in order, tell me again that Gypyx was not pressured at all to present a towncase on snow.

[Psyche]

god i hate how the site redesign made quotes look

[Psyche]

This one checked! You can check yourself! There was no Snow position for any one TO pressure until she started townreading him.

Yes there was. post 435

[the worst]

hey!

[HighPrincessErinys]

i hate this damn game !

[the worst]

how can we make it more fun?

[HighPrincessErinys]

how can we make it more fun?

make it make sense

[Psyche]

gypx's snowcase was maybe a forced move after pressure around her initial snow positioning

This is the claim you're critiquing.
I showed you that Gypyx

did

have an initial snow position that she expressed in post 435. This initial positioning conveyed a townread without providing specific reasons for thinking so.

I further showed you that she was pressured to elaborate on that read by

two

separate players -- Ausuka and PC -- in posts 458 and 463. I used the word "pressured" because if she refused to do this elaboration, she could have reasonably expected to face further suspicion and evne a vote.

I finally showed that Gypyx's towncase on Snow was at least in part motivated and was timed immediately after the above pressuring in posts 468 and 470.

These posts are how I came to update my position on how towntelling her Snowcase was.

[Psyche]

how can we make it more fun?

Can you claim? Then I'd love to get your reads on stuff. Can even back and forth if you're one of those people who are into that.

[the worst]

how can we make it more fun?

make it make sense

I'll try my best but I'm not always super great at that

[HighPrincessErinys]

and theres the camaraderie and helping others. god damn it this one really is blind isnt it

[Psyche]

how can we make it more fun?

make it make sense

I'll try my best but I'm not always super great at that

the main thing i'd really love for you to do is check over my work, tell me if i'm missing something. but we don't have to rush to that.

anyway yeah we are in a massclaim. it is melo. it's been PC's turn all day. please go ahead and claim.

[Psyche]

also hpe im gonna have to ask you to promptly tell me whether you still think think i was lying about gypyx being pressured to towncase snow

[HighPrincessErinys]

ugh. time to retreat to the pages of moby dick.

sorry psyche, but you're pretty much right after all. this one just got way into the literalities and technicalities of "initial position"

[Psyche]

aw i was hoping you'd stick to your guns. the clarity would have been amazing

[the worst]

how can we make it more fun?

Can you claim? Then I'd love to get your reads on stuff. Can even back and forth if you're one of those people who are into that.

I'm a vt.

I haven't read much yet my first impression is that HPE really wants to win this game. A back and forth will probably help me get my reads up to date where should I start?

[HighPrincessErinys]

FMPOV 435 was the start of your supposed pressured case but it probably should've figured it wasnt as simple as that