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Post Post #5825 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:05 pm

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In post 5817, Yuuka Kazami wrote: And just like that Aya has gone from 50/50 to 66% chance of hitting scum.

Is it even possible to win here if Reisen is town. I don’t know if they can show they’re town tbh.

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Post Post #5826 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 10:11 pm

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In post 5821, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Hypothetical:

Reisen: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kagerou/Kaguya. If you look into it you may be able to put the pieces together. I can’t because I’m not you.

Kaguya: if you’re town the scum team is exactly kagerou/Kaguya. Why are you going after Kagerou first?

Kagerou: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kaguya/Reisen. If you can, I hope that clicks for you.
The fact I can fit with any team, you included, seems intentional, no?

I can look into kagerou, don’t think you have to sell me that hard on kaguya. Even if you’re scum one of them is as well. I can do this.

Again I think day 1 is when I felt most grounded in this game, so it mostly comes down to do I think scum was playing around the wagons because they were all on town or was larva shifting to save kagerou.
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Post Post #5827 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:05 pm

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In post 5821, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Kaguya: if you’re town the scum team is exactly kagerou/Kaguya. Why are you going after Kagerou first?
Winning a 1v1 against Reisen in 3p is trivial, Kagerou not as much. You slaved your vote to Aya though so this gives me two chances with convincing Aya in 5p and then you in 3p
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Post Post #5828 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:15 pm

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In post 5824, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
In post 5803, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5801, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Okay here is my base thought right now.

I never wanna kill Yuuka.

I always think Reisen is scum.

And I'm deciding wherher I want to murder Kaguya or Kagerou, or if I just cop out and murder the caught scum and let y'all decide what to do about that tomorrow.

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is around where I'm at. Wanna go for the ego play and kill Kagerou here?
Points please. No this isn’t a scum brag thing or a wink thing. I just want levels of confidence.
Pure readswise it's like
  1. Yuuka +35
  2. Reisen -15 .. +5
  3. Kagerou -60
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Post Post #5829 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:32 pm

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In post 5820, Yuuka Kazami wrote: The justification of the shot is hard for me. I don’t have much experience with scum vigs.
The graph for telling vig's apart is:
  • Hero shot/POE-ish but not really shot that hits scum
    - See: Aya
  • Pure POE shot that hits scum
    - Scum can just miss and go "oops"
  • Pure POE shot that hits town
    - Could go either way
  • POE-ish but not really shot that hits town
    - Danger zone, scum really want to be here because it furthers their win condition the most while still being something they can get away with
  • Hero shot that
    hits town
    - Depends on the gamestate, but very easy to read. Town make this kind of shot when the game is spiraling and they paranoia themselves into a terrible kill, scum make this kind of shot when it's obvious they're getting limmed anyways
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Post Post #5830 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:33 pm

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In post 5826, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
In post 5821, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Hypothetical:

Reisen: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kagerou/Kaguya. If you look into it you may be able to put the pieces together. I can’t because I’m not you.

Kaguya: if you’re town the scum team is exactly kagerou/Kaguya. Why are you going after Kagerou first?

Kagerou: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kaguya/Reisen. If you can, I hope that clicks for you.
The fact I can fit with any team, you included, seems intentional, no?

I can look into kagerou, don’t think you have to sell me that hard on kaguya. Even if you’re scum one of them is as well. I can do this.

Again I think day 1 is when I felt most grounded in this game, so it mostly comes down to do I think scum was playing around the wagons because they were all on town or was larva shifting to save kagerou.
Intentional how?
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Post Post #5831 (ISO) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:44 pm

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In post 5826, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: I can look into kagerou, don’t think you have to sell me that hard on kaguya. Even if you’re scum one of them is as well. I can do this.
Why am I scum
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Post Post #5832 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:52 am

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In post 5819, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
In post 5812, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Lurking out day 2 with zero attempt to solve is also where I'd expect scum to be wrt Sanae
Job stuff. Whether they’d have played this way as town while having job stuff as opposed to scum stuff is only a meta thing and I’d be hard pressed even for players I’m familiar with to bet right on that.
I mean they still had time to post a wall on why they shot Tenshi, there wasn't even an off-hand comment on who's scum or town d2
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Post Post #5833 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:04 am

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Like compare it with Reisen where both were pretty much AFK, I at least know where she stood with
In post 3891, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: So at the moment I’m thinking, koishi/clown/aya/kagerou/yuuka/marisa town

And everyone else is in a spot where they’re either scum or it doesn’t really matter numbers wise. Idk how many slots that leaves on the outside looking in.
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Post Post #5834 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:42 am

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If you’re town, Reisen is literally scum.
So.

5832: that was at the beginning of their job trouble though. They’re going to, at least explain themselves if they can. About their shot.
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Post Post #5835 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:44 am

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I’m not going to be selling anyone on anything this day phase Reisen
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Post Post #5836 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:57 am

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This is we need to hit scum time, not we need to do what’s best for Kaguya time.

A genuine look at Reisen is necessary here.
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Post Post #5837 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:02 am

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In post 5836, Yuuka Kazami wrote: This is we need to hit scum time, not we need to do what’s best for Kaguya time.
They're both the same thing unless you wanna call yourself scum here
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Post Post #5838 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:07 am

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Like I'm willing to throw the solve down as Kagerou scum, Yuuka town, Reisen scum by POE; I've already shifted into "get other people to vote where I need them to" mode
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Post Post #5839 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:08 am

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Why must I work to live. I wanna Iso Reisen.
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Post Post #5840 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:12 am

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Well my votes slaved. So technically it does not matter. But I’d really appreciate a look at Reisen.
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Post Post #5841 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:16 am

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I’ve never seen anyone ever do what Kagerou did this day phase.

If there’s one thing that is going to result in a town loss Kage, I mean besides hitting the other town, it’s being completely absent today and then posting in a dead zone at the end.
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Post Post #5842 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:19 am

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In post 5840, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Well my votes slaved. So technically it does not matter. But I’d really appreciate a look at Reisen.
I already did, she's scum by POE cause normally I'd throw her in the "Not bad" pile but there's two scum here and not enough room for her to be town if you're also Town
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Post Post #5843 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:49 am

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Is scum by PoE a thing in melo.
I guess low key I do that but to me the idea of PoE in melo is scary. And it just makes it hard to figure out if you’re afraid of interacting/casing them in case they mess up or they as the remaining town turn against you.

Ah, while very self aware. I think the idea of a Yuuka/kagerou. And Yuuka/Kaguya scum team don’t make sense. Just given how much we’ve talked to each other and the interactions therein.

Which leaves Yuuka/Reisen as Reisen helpfully pointed out. So that begs the question of why I’m specifically asking you two to look at Reisen. When that serves scum me just fine to just let you not do that.

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Post Post #5844 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:53 am

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I need to review. I plan to do so in elo unless deadline goes to Monday. I need to file taxes and had a work emergency.
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Post Post #5845 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:54 am

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Ah.
Shit.
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Post Post #5846 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:08 am

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At this point, a full reset is in order. My NKA was clearly wrong. Tbh, not a fan of Yuuka not giving a reason why Dai is town but I could realistically be the frame with the Dai kill.
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Post Post #5847 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:12 am

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I said why I thought Dai was town in a bunch of different posts.

In terms of the nk, yeah sure.
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Post Post #5848 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:28 am

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In post 5843, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Is scum by PoE a thing in melo.
I guess low key I do that but to me the idea of PoE in melo is scary. And it just makes it hard to figure out if you’re afraid of interacting/casing them in case they mess up or they as the remaining town turn against you.
It's pretty easy to get away with PoE here, and until tomorrow happens I'm probably not gonna bother to sort Reisen harder:
  1. Aya controls the lim today
  2. Aya will not lim Yuuka over Reisen here
  3. I think Kagerou is scum
  4. If Yuuka is the townie I want Kagerou dead over Reisen here because gives me two shots to get people to go for a Kagerou lim over me
  5. If Reisen is the townie then the only winning play is to get Aya to kill Kagerou and find Reisen in 3p once Aya is dead
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Post Post #5849 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:30 am

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If Kagerou is the townie then I'm not finding her anyways this game, so I'm not gonna optimize for that world

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