(micro 1101) mystery box of silver 16: tinkleton (it tinkled)

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew replaces Ausuka

UNVOTE:

I may or may not catch up tonight

But anyone here with a tl;dr?

[Doctor Drew]

Oh I see only 2 days until deadline

Ok maybe I need to effort

[Doctor Drew]

aureal ausuka aureal ausuka aureal ausuka there now ill never make that mistake again

Aureal would really hate if you confused me with her haha

sure
the scum are in these 3

Gypyx
Snow2697
HighPrincessErinys

I will admit I really haven't looked at Robert yet, but nothing jumped out from the last 5 pages or so I read about HPE(Well from page 19 on, just before it repped in)

honestly, we have one more free mislim so i'm pretty sure the game is solved. or at least it would be if i could control every lim.

This seems like a weird thing to say though considering there have been two townie deaths

[Doctor Drew]

Gypyx claims that she has solved the game.
Klick is about to do the same.
Is it too early for town player? If yes, everyone will solve it too.

Is this a hammer?

to give out more than just me declaring my general vibes on snow, i feel like he rarely makes this first post as scum where my solve is on 2 townies (cakez flipped town and i've gotten around to view psyche as one of my stronger townreads)

this last one is also absolutely going to be asked in the scum PT rather than in the main thread in a world where snow is scum imo

Like this was literally the first post on page 19, I can see how you think they would be scum together.....but seems to obvious of a defense from Gyp, no?

[Doctor Drew]

is still possible!
but a gypx/robert pairing is possible too, as well as snow/robert (wow!)

ive ruled out everyone else

Why aren't you voting HPE then?

[Doctor Drew]

also damn ausuka got replaced, rip

I agree, quite the downgrade

[Doctor Drew]

snow flipping scum might resolve PC, also. So yeah, let's see this guy flipped today, please.

snow flipping scum might resolve PC, also. So yeah, let's see this guy flipped today, please.

Seeing PC's naked votes, even including against snow, don't exactly spark joy even with this in mind, but we'll see.

You don't think they are the same alignment? Or that they are probably not scum together

[Doctor Drew]

oh how embarrassed ill be if it turns out im wrong about pc

I remember when you basically called me out as scum on your first post one time, so if you are wrong I still think you ain't too bad.

Even Michael Jordan missed a few shots lol

[Doctor Drew]

i will now go through the trouble of summarizing my towncase for PC in a single, decently formatted post
if my confidence in this towncase can be broken in a way that makes snowscum way less likely, i'll push off
otherwise i'll spend the rest of the day trying to form a town bloc with drew and (???) T3

Honestly, I would be shocked if HPE isn't town

[Doctor Drew]

can you list out all your "i would be shocked if" takes

You, and maybe Gyp

[Doctor Drew]

Obviously the aforementioned HPE as well

[Doctor Drew]

I am kinda surprised why PC has been danced around, but but never earnestly pushed........they seem to be the lynchpin

[Doctor Drew]

And no, I won't claim.

Honey, we're 7 hours to deadline and you're E-1, idk if you have a

choice

on that one.

I certainly have a choice. And I made it.
And when I am mislimmed, town will have a choice of how to treat those who voted me, including you. Hope town will make a correct one.

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

Plurality lim anyways so we aren't actually needing to hammer but like, i urge y'all to look at HPE

Psyche, your whole solve is fighting each other.....is it weird if I think they are all town because of it?

And not wanting to claim seems like a bold move by scum, just gonna make them look worse.

Though, Gyp basically wanting to die on the hill of saving Snow has me all twisted

Now I am literally second guessing they are all town lol

[Doctor Drew]

I think I want to vote Snow

Intent to hammer unless someone has a reason not to right now

[Doctor Drew]

give me your alternative solve

I don't think it is you or HPE, outside of that not sure

if we lim PC is the correct solve clear no matter the result? if the answer is yes i'll move

I am not sure I understand exactly what you mean here

[Doctor Drew]

sure wish T3 were paying attention to this game. the lock on me for the whole day is so unreasonable

Lol, forgot about him tbh

Kinda a Drew thought, but wouldn't scum be happy to watch town implode on itself and just let it happen from afar? Especially in this gamestate

[Doctor Drew]

part of me would rather do gypx today but...id rather have the more active slots alive until forced by poe

I almost feel Snow flipping scum makes Gyp look better, I don't see scum defending their buddy this aggressively.

But a Snow town flip is a bit more ambiguous for Gyp's alignment imo

Not sure how this ties into HPE.....or PC for that matter

[Doctor Drew]

but i dont really see a convincing solve that includes HPE and imo gypx's towncase on snow was a forced move that could turn out to have good equity for her in a gypx/snow pairing anyway

I don't want to move to HPE

Ok, this is my for real intent to hammer Snow

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Snow

[Doctor Drew]

i can't quite rule out robert/hpe/pc

As a team?

Or with Gyp?

Seems like you are talking yourself into HPE though, not sure I feel confident there.

[Doctor Drew]

Like, I have been thinking why you aren't considering yourself as scum for this exercise(I actually like when someone takes an objective view point in similar scenarios).

But, I don't think I could see you as scum......or you have played very well as scum and gg well played.

HPE was mainly vibes and how it played after I repped in didn't really seem like scumHPE(or at least seemed like the townHPE I remember). Yes it is a vibe thing, but I feel like it doesn't go about things as scum like that.

I am also just worried you talked yourself out of Gyp and might be overthinking things a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

how is it that i can write so much in threads like these but struggle most days to draft even a sentence toward my thesis

Quit school and become a full time mafia player

I heard it pays well

[Doctor Drew]

This one doesn't super think Gypyx is scum exactly, but PC just being completely absent really sucks and it's hard not to think scum is sitting back and relaxing as they get handed the win or whatever.

I am starting to warm up to the idea of PC here, especially since I don't think you are scum, and don't think I could see myself voting Psyche at all

Here's a tinfoil hat for you: scum!Psyche doing the heavy lifting and PC taking a load off and doing nothing but nakedvoting because his partner is universally townread. Eh, eh?

Lol, if he is than like I said before, well played GG

Also, was your whole read on Gyp dependant on Snow being scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, was your whole read on Gyp dependant on Snow being scum?

Mine?

Yes, you are who I quoted lol

[Doctor Drew]

(btw this is my moment to point out how absolutely no one else has said anything since your vote, woah, crazy, weird)

this one has no idea what the fuck is going on is why

I also was asleep, and then at work.....what is your point here?

[Doctor Drew]

drew
where do we go from here?
what's up for discussion?
what's not up for discussion?

Well hopefully PC shows up and we can continue the claims, then go from there.

But like I said I feel better about a PC lim over HPE, but not sure over Gyp. But I think you are doing more heavy lifting than me and would probably defer to you, again I will trust you until you betray us all and win it for scum lol.

[Doctor Drew]

pc scum implies gypyx scum
considering their trajectories/votes this game, can you really see them being scum together?

It is more I don't see HPE as scum

[Doctor Drew]

ok but can you weigh the question

Touche......but you should know commiting to a scum team before a scum flip can be a fools game.

I did say I would defer to you though, I am not some sort of 'HPE Whisperer', so I could be very much wrong there....just don't 'think' so

Pre Edit: Again really is just I don't see her play after I repped in as being scummy, nothing super solid(hence me somewhat referring to you), but I don't see it

[Doctor Drew]

unfortunately, townreading me and hpe already does commit you to a scumteam before a scumflip

anyway it sounds like you opting not to consider the question of whether it's believable that gypyx and pc can be a pair

Of course I think it is believable, I know what you are saying.....but would you really town lock one if the other flips scum?

When I am scum I play in a way to create this type of scenario, so I will not put it past Gyp or PC(or you or HPE tbf)

[Doctor Drew]

bah
i guess this ends with us compromising on gypyx
pc sure seemed open the last time i checked
(but nah nothing to read into that)

What do you mean by open?

[Doctor Drew]

yesterday i put snow and gypyx on the table as the two lims i was considering committing to for a lim. immediately after that, pc voted gypyx, encouraging me to take that fork in the road.

Ahh gotcha, I am headed home now.....when I get to my laptop I will look back at that.

[Doctor Drew]

yesterday i put snow and gypyx on the table as the two lims i was considering committing to for a lim. immediately after that, pc voted gypyx, encouraging me to take that fork in the road.

Can you link me the post? Or roughly where this all went down

[Doctor Drew]

i wrote 675/676 almost just for you drew and your 800 slips that you didn't even skim it i am at the end of my rope

Yes I read that, I keep saying you are doing the heavy lifting here, I would say you are overthinking everything and not just finding who you think about who is scum right now though(you have to consider that your read is wrong re: gyp and PC as a team), and if they are scum go from there. Like we disagree on HPE, but I also said I would trust there if you really think they are more likely scum then Gyp and PC(who I would rather lim here).

I just was asking what post of yours and the aftermath made you deadset on PC and Gyp not a team before I went through your ISO, then I fell asleep lol

But I will look back later today after a take a dearly needed nap

[Doctor Drew]

is still possible!
but a gypx/robert pairing is possible too, as well as snow/robert (wow!)

ive ruled out everyone else

Why aren't you voting HPE then?

im a coward

VOTE: gypx

VOTE: Political Clout

VOTE: HighPrincess

VOTE: snow

VOTE: snow

Ok went back, I think I am just after what you were talking about Psyche, but I still don't get fully why you can't believe that Gyp/PC isn't possible. Like look at this series of posts which were basically all back to back.

You put HPE in both of your most likely scum teams, which I questioned why you wouldn't vote HPE then, to which you responded with the self depreciation lol

I don't know why at that time you decided to vote Gyp there, didn't really catch my eye at the time, but made me lift and eyebrow after a second viewing, this is a bit of an aside, just wanted to point out the possibility of an HPE/Psyche scumteam as a hero solve I probably won't push haha(but will take the post game praise if right)

But I digress, so a vote on Gyp instead of HPE, to which the only confTown here(snow) says 'nah fuck that's and votes PC(which again, seeing that part again does explain HPE's confidence in a snow scum flip)..... especially since Gyp then immediately votes HPE.

Then PC strolls in, easily could push the person who has been fighting with him the most and been pushing him(Gyp), but chooses to vote Snow instead.....just after Psyche switched from Gyp to Snow.

So ya, I definitely could see a PC/Gyp team

[Doctor Drew]

it weren't for ausuka i'd suspect you over it

kinda true this one thinks a scum!drew could be coasting by on vibes and the heavy-lifting of ausuka

I don't like repping into slots that are widely town read, I like the heat and playing the game, I tend to be much more passive in a game where it happens like this.

So thank you for even suggesting I could be scum lol

[Doctor Drew]

i voted gypyx because she's scum
i think you're wrong about pc/hpe
and i don't really understand the point of quoting those posts; they aren't relevant to my stances

my iso is full of reasons i think gypyx is scummy.....

just to reiterate: why does pc sheeping me on snow say anything about his relationship with gypyx?

Yes I know you have been calling Gyp scum, we have talked about that many times.

The HPE/you thing was just something that caught my eye when I was reading these series of posts. If I wasn't clear that was just an interesting nugget, I even said it wasn't something I could or would push.....like I said it was more for endgame in the event you two are actually buddies(which I still highly doubt)

The real reason I quoted those posts was because why would PC sheep you in snow, when you have been calling Gyp just as scummy.....and PC and Gyp had been 'butting heads'.....why would PC back off at this point, because someone else(you) was pushing his buddy? Then he saw you switch to Snow, and boom.....quickly jumped at the chance of a mislim over the person he actually 'thought' was scum.

[Doctor Drew]

pc trusts me is why he sheeped me with snow. he was convinced of my poe to hpe/snow/gypyx the same i was. in general (across games), he often sheeps people he trusts instead of playing the game. also, when he did try to opt for gypyx to be limmed in 550-ish (i think), i declined it.

he has plenty of other posts that convince that his willingness to lim gypyx. and gypyx in fact has many

more

posts that convince that she wanted pc dead.

in fact, in the wallpost i whined about you not reading, i said that the best evidence against gypyx/pc was in gypyx's iso, not pc's.

Tbf, I went through your ISO and PC's ISO roughly around the time I repped in, then just read through the early 20s(pages I mean), where is saw the series on votes I quoted

[Doctor Drew]

ill just keep beating the "it can't be gypyx/pc" drum until we're ready for gypyx i guess. on you what happens tomorrow

Tomorrow is free pizza day at the library so it should be a good day to take my laptop and review. You probably mean like the actual in-game day but still.

Well you just decided my dinner for me lol

And ya, trying to do ISO's on my phone wasn't fun, will go back through Gyp's iso when I am home on my laptop

[Doctor Drew]

Psyche, can you put a pin in (read: link me) the posts you really want me to read? This one'll get to them today or tomorrow, promise.

[Doctor Drew]

problem is that iso isn't great for tracking context
idk how id decide if a vote really wanted a slot dead if i were in an iso

You said Gyp's iso has all I need to know about why she and PC aren't buddies

[Doctor Drew]

mobile-friendly cases sounds like the next trick i should try to learn

Again, looking at Gyp's iso I don't see anything that disqualifies a gyp/PC scum team.

Please explain to me why they can't be buddies......explain it to me like the idiot I am

[Doctor Drew]

as someone who knows that we lose if its voted out today, we should probably kersplode gypyx

which scum teams do you see as viable?

This is a real bitch of a question to answer because you and gypyx is unlikely, but then that leaves only me and gypyx or gypyx and The Other Consensusly Townread Slots. like. yikes.

just having reads on slots isn't going to help anymore - town need to find pairs of two players who can be scum together to eliminate to win the game.

psyche/drew

shrugs the mightiest shrug of all time

My d1 reads are usually not fantastic but like dang that would make me so sad

Is there anything about Psyche & drew that seems like, aligned or specifically working to get each other to a winning endgame, from your pov?

This isn't scepticism btw I genuinely feel like I need a check on Psyche & drewsuka. there's this like kinda simplistic world where the scumteam is you/gypyx and that's right some of the time but if it's not right this time I kind of need to check myself.

Psyche's d1 is mostly pretty solid but it gets content and I do see a world where scum views that hammer as a considered necessity. I also trust Psyche to know Psyche well enough to know whether the hammer is redeemable or not.

Ausuka's handling of d1 wagons feels really pure - I liked her play around Deus like, a lot. I like the way she approached Cakez and in broad strokes I tended to either agree with or at least vibe with most of her reads. She was also just really low presence by the end of d1 so I probably need to see more from her/drew on d1 to feel like, phenomenally confident.

In all honesty Psyche's reasons for townreading Drewsuka seem overall pretty good but like this one's said before alot of it is perhaps Drew using Ausuka's strong posting as a smokescreen. Like his vibes are good but this one doesn't think his content is as good. Would need to properly check in on that idea, though.

Psyche commented on it, but what are your opinions on my take about the voting pattern I pointed out yesterday? And why it still makes a gyp/PC team possible

Also since I am now Drewsuka, I am trying to find a good name for PC and the worst.

the worst poilitics
Politically worst
the worst Clout

I got nothing

[Doctor Drew]

Potentially. The other voice in my head is like "what if psyche just townreads ausuka". Do you think psyche's reasoning feels pretty believable and authentic overall?

Yeah.

I generally think it's pretty hard to fake an authentic seeming read on someone you know that you're scum with, so I'd probably in the abstract call that a point against an ausuka/psyche scumteam. Its also a little hard to fake authentic sounding reads as scum but it's obviously a skill that you'd want to develop so I think I'd call it a point against psyche being scum too

I have been at work, but skimmed today's posting and your catchup

Like why is this something you are considering?

[Doctor Drew]

Psyche commented on it, but what are your opinions on my take about the voting pattern I pointed out yesterday? And why it still makes a gyp/PC team possible

Saw this but never for longer than 2 seconds. Fairly insightful post, it's just hard to put a whole lot of stock into PC considering he was already in his disappearing phase by then. That Snow vote was his last post, after all. The main takeaway this one has is that Psyche has had a weird half-committed scumread of convenience on me a for while it seems like. "Of convenience" referring to the being in his solves thing, but he never seems to act on it, which is... kinda weird, especially in D2 when the circumstances were a bit less MeLo. Not that this one minds being alive of course.

I do not understand his stating that he wants to be shown that he could be wrong, yet when presented with how he could be wrong.....just poo poo's it

[Doctor Drew]

how about let's just mindmeld and see how that goes. are we agreed about gypyx at least?

Gyp's last post did have a bit of a 'giving up' vibe

[Doctor Drew]

Drew had better townread me my heart is on my sleeve rn

Sorry, but not really lol

You have seemed towny since your repp in, but I have seen that song and dance before

Psyche

HPE

Worst
Gyp(though you could flip flop these two)

Still feel confident this is it

[Doctor Drew]

Obviously feel more confident in psyche as town over HPE, but I also still think HPE is town as well, just wouldn't fight it as much if that is the consensus

[Doctor Drew]

how much weight should we put on the fact that scum killed T3 and not me? seems a little odd if i held the solve, am easy to townread, and honestly can't help but try to control every day no matter how bad my reads are

Me personally, I like the low info kills like T3 kind of was, so not really shocked. Also if you are correct on Gyp, killing you would seem to implicate her the most I would think.

Is interesting that hpe called out T3 just before end of day, not sure if that is something

[Doctor Drew]

ugghh. i really have a hard time believing you have these reads drew!

talk to me. what's so town about HPE? at least quote a post you're blown away by

Why?

I have been town reading you pretty hard, and hpe to a lesser extent(and yes, there literally is one hpe post I will quote in a moment that when I read it I said 'yup, that one is town's)

So that leaves Gyp and worst to me(which I know we will never agree on lol)

[Doctor Drew]

Snow, do you actually have any real input on your voters? Anything you'd like to share with the class? A claim, perhaps?

And no, I won't claim.

Honey, we're 7 hours to deadline and you're E-1, idk if you have a

choice

on that one.

This one is prettttttttty confident in Snow flipping scum here. As weird and perhaps towntell-y as not claiming and just trying to shrug off the wagon is, Snow is pretty new and hasn't been around all that much this game, it's possible he's just been floundering and didn't have anything to challenge or redirect the wagon with.

Think tomorrow we need to hit T3 with a baseball bat until he shows up again. Or maybe get PC to talk instead of nakedvote. We're really just working on the info of like 3 or 4 players now.

Sorry was of few posts basically right in a row at EOD yesterDay.

This just seems like someone who is not informed, yes you could say they wanted them to claim as a rolefish....but they were basically gonna be the lim either way.

And the last quote about T3, I dunno seemed a bit more odd when I remembered it after the T3 NK(but quoting it anyways since I just mentioned it)

[Doctor Drew]

lol id rather drew be scum at this point. so inconvenient

I think I said as much, and I am probably not helping lol, but I think you are overthinking it.

If I vote Gyp would that ease any concerns? Or is that dumb, I have been on board with a Gyp lim clearly

[Doctor Drew]

we wouldve limmed you before replacement if it was me/drew

I definitely would have been on board with this

[Doctor Drew]

pc/gypyx is a solve until you read their isos

If it is correct, I expect a formal written apology on my desk as soon as the game ends...lol

[Doctor Drew]

pc/gypyx is a solve until you read their isos

If it is correct, I expect a formal written apology on my desk as soon as the game ends...lol

sure! your desk at the chicago law office

Haha, what a great callback

You truly are the number one homie

[Doctor Drew]

Snow is obviously struggling but i kinda like where his head's at in a general sense, there's also a few smaller towntells here and there

actually it's PC who i'm getting my eye on right now (as well as robert but this read is getting a bit stale)

PC seems very complaceant and happy to keep the game in it's state of semi-stagnation, the insistance on Psyche and the cakez post for instance really feels like willingly going down a dead end

btw what makes you reject a robert / PC pairing? that's the conclusion i'm getting at but it's more based on PoE than anything really

still think PC-scum is hard to fit in with other possible scumreads
don't really see people weighing that sufficiently, and his play is not sufficiently scummy on its own to justify that

need to think over that but i guess even if it was true it would not make me fully give up on scum PC

it was me !

To be fair like, i'm not fully convinced in my towncase myself, it's more of a 20% scum read (default would be 40% in our context) but i'd really be happier if we tried PC / HPE

leaning towards PC / HPE (especially considering how hard it has been to get this pairing over) but i'm not disregarding Drew yet, T3 though i doubt he's scum

it's been gypyx's sole mission in life to make PC nervous sweat as much as possible drew can you please re-evaluate how much you think me/gypyx is actually the scumteam?

How much pressure was PC in when these posts were made?

[Doctor Drew]

you don't understand, drew.

this

one is personal. i beat gypyx in a melo scenario as scum in a recent game. she wants revenge. we can't give her that. i'm too innocent to experience the taste of revenge. please

Haha, I will always have my homies back

And I am not entirely opposed to voting HPE, I feel like I am being a bit stubborn on worst and Gyp as a scum team anyways

[Doctor Drew]

Okay. Drew. I'm thinking of doing this wagon with the worst. if you ask me not to, I won't.
But if I do, then this will quickly test your theory that worst is scum -- but by risking the game.
Her teammate (gypyx) will swoop in and hammer HPE and the game will be over.

Well ok, no pressure I guess lol

I won't stop you, you have put in the work so again.....will defer to you, just will be another apology letter to send me if wrong lol

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: hpe

[Doctor Drew]

gosh ausuka is so smooth

She definitely is the scum MVP

[Doctor Drew]

honestly felt pretty alone past d1
but in the end i accepted the challenge and then failed

Definitely parroting what worst said, I felt really bad how you were putting in so much work, only to get deceived at the end of the game

I wanted to say I was scum after I hammered, but again.....never can be sure until the mod confirms things

[Doctor Drew]

christ

I think you were on the verge of actually scum casing me, I am glad that worst and I could wrap this up right here

[Doctor Drew]

we might've had a chance if anyone but gypyx ever fucking believed me on pc

Lol, I literally would have bussed him if he was pushed

[Doctor Drew]

ughhh actually the reason i didnt wait for hpe was because i was so sure of my ausuka read and my rejection of a gypyx/pc pair

Just curious if you actually went through my posts forgetting about your town read on Ausuka

[Doctor Drew]

i never forgot the townread. but i revisited it after practically every third post you put out.

I will admit, I was kinda testing the limit on how much you were town locking me lol

[Doctor Drew]

I also kinda hoped I'd wake up and the scumteam would have said

sorry

and resigned

Drew had better townread me my heart is on my sleeve rn

Sorry

, but not really lol

You have seemed towny since your repp in, but I have seen that song and dance before

Psyche

HPE

Worst
Gyp(though you could flip flop these two)

Still feel confident this is it

Snow, do you actually have any real input on your voters? Anything you'd like to share with the class? A claim, perhaps?

And no, I won't claim.

Honey, we're 7 hours to deadline and you're E-1, idk if you have a

choice

on that one.

This one is prettttttttty confident in Snow flipping scum here. As weird and perhaps towntell-y as not claiming and just trying to shrug off the wagon is, Snow is pretty new and hasn't been around all that much this game, it's possible he's just been floundering and didn't have anything to challenge or redirect the wagon with.

Think tomorrow we need to hit T3 with a baseball bat until he shows up again. Or maybe get PC to talk instead of nakedvote. We're really just working on the info of like 3 or 4 players now.

Sorry

was of few posts basically right in a row at EOD yesterDay.

This just seems like someone who is not informed, yes you could say they wanted them to claim as a rolefish....but they were basically gonna be the lim either way.

And the last quote about T3, I dunno seemed a bit more odd when I remembered it after the T3 NK(but quoting it anyways since I just mentioned it)

Also, I do jump at the chance to open wolf haha