Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Aya Shameimaru]

At this point Kaguya, you should be more focused on breaking my chain of logic about Kagerou town if you disagree with me there because what I'm seeing from Larvae's ISO indicates Kagerou town.

[Aya Shameimaru]

Yuuka you around to talk

[Kaguya Houraisan]

At this point Kaguya, you should be more focused on breaking my chain of logic about Kagerou town if you disagree with me there because what I'm seeing from Larvae's ISO indicates Kagerou town.

I'll be around later but you're falling for the same trap I normally do where you make a partner read and locktown off of it then ignore the shit they do later that should be ringing alarm bells (I've done this

a lot

). Going past the partner read: Should Kagerou be locktowned off the totality of her play or not?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'll add that I'm especially vulnerable to this trap against good scum players if that helps

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'll add that I'm especially vulnerable to this trap against good scum players if that helps

As in the good scum player flips and I misclear their scummy partner

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Reisen is a slot that has been weirdly written off for reasons i have yet to identify and they are the only player in this whole game that hasn't had one post that made me think "this comes from town"

Like I can dig up anti-Reisen partner posts from Larva too I'm just not putting much stock in anything Larva's posted because they can't both be town

[Aya Shameimaru]

I admit that I am open to listening to your arguments about how Larvae approaches Kagerou as scum on day 1 there with full intent to bus and how they fake their reaction to the vig claim in addition to how the totality of their play makes them scum.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Trying to open the mod ISO crashes my phone from the videos in every VC but iirc Larva had an "on while safe, off when unsafe" pattern to her Kagerou votes. I don't think she intended for any person still here to die d1.

[Aya Shameimaru]

I can look for that if you tell me it exists.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I admit that I am open to listening to your arguments about how Larvae approaches Kagerou as scum on day 1 there with full intent to bus and how they fake their reaction to the vig claim in addition to how the totality of their play makes them scum.

Totality wise though (from memory):
Day 2 active enough to answer questions about her shot reasoning but does has 0 solving or takes
Day 4/Day 5 the Marisa hesitation into Yuuka vote
Day 3 the specific arguments used to push me but that one probably doesn't help you

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yuuka you around to talk

Work -> Meeting until 3:30 -> Dentist -> Turning in a paper due tonight.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Can try, but will be spotty, what did you want to talk about?

[Aya Shameimaru]

Can try, but will be spotty, what did you want to talk about?

I just want your weigh in on my take on Larvae's iso, for now.

[Yuuka Kazami]

6058 is a valid point.

I was pretty discouraged when I noticed that Larvae seemed to be making similar posts for different players.
For example, I associate scum buddies with lukewarm interactions and soft balls. But I noticed they threw soft balls to town.
They would shade and then backpedal in the same post on two different players and it kind of made me realize that they were pretty aware of how associations would look and made samey posts to avoid that. This is why I like 6058 because it doesn't touch on associations in terms of interaction patterns so much as from a scum game plan and that game plan gets a little ruined with bussing a partner day 1. They did not seem very half-hearted with the Kagerou push.

[Yuuka Kazami]

2420: is very much a point. I'm not sure how well they're able to emulate a town mindset, they've done some slips like that before, in this case, I see what you're saying, that they're complaining that they don't feel like they can push them, because from an informed point of view they think their claims are stronger than they actually are, albeit, I think Kagerou's claim had a better chance of having town let it ride than Ichirin's.

But Ichrin wasn't really townie in their claim, rather, this wasn't a popular point of view, while Kagerou's was.

I'm not sure how much I want to weigh Larvae possibly slipping the truth: that they're frustrated because of their own defeatism about people's claims miscalculating the verifiability and vulnerability of each player. It could be a free mistake that dooms the scum team.

Or not.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Okay. My new reads are Kagerou town Reisen scum.

If I still trust my gut on Yuuka town that makes Kaguya scum.

I am far more confident in Reisen scum than Kaguya scum but I worry if I kill Reisen today Kagerou will die tomorrow. I am utterly convinced Kagerou is town. Beyond all doubt.

You can simply tell me to kill Kaguya and I'll do that next day phase.
With a Reisen scum flip it becomes closer for Kaguya in my mind.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Okay. My new reads are Kagerou town Reisen scum.

If I still trust my gut on Yuuka town that makes Kaguya scum.

I am far more confident in Reisen scum than Kaguya scum but I worry if I kill Reisen today Kagerou will die tomorrow. I am utterly convinced Kagerou is town. Beyond all doubt.

You can simply tell me to kill Kaguya and I'll do that next day phase.
With a Reisen scum flip it becomes closer for Kaguya in my mind.

The only way I'm town from your perspective is if both Reisen and Kagerou are scum so not sure what you mean by this

[Yuuka Kazami]

I’m saying I associate Reisen scum more closely with you than Kagerou scum.

So if Reisen flips scum then I think you’re more likely to be scum.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I’m saying I associate Reisen scum more closely with you than Kagerou scum.

So if Reisen flips scum then I think you’re more likely to be scum.

So if Kagerou flips scum it's Reisen/Kagerou but if Reisen flips scum it's Reisen/Kaguya?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yep!

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yep!

That feels wrong but I don't have time to figure out why

[Kaguya Houraisan]

mmm maybe not if it's just saying the designated townie ordering is

1. Kagerou
   
2. Kaguya
   
3. Reisen

[Yuuka Kazami]

Yep!

That feels wrong but I don't have time to figure out why

It really doesn’t if you’ve been paying any attention to my posts this day phase. lol

[Yuuka Kazami]

To be clear: if Reisen flips scum you spent all day trying to kill someone who I don’t know is scum instead of someone that I now know is scum.
If Kagerou flips scum you spent the majority of today bussing your partner.

Which one seems more likely?

[Yuuka Kazami]

I tried to tell you that it would be a problem if you did not try to read Reisen this day phase.

So yeah, if they flip scum. You’re going to have to live with that choice.

If not, congrats on your win! You played well.