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Brian Skies I’d very much appreciate a quick little unvote if you’re town-
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as an unbiased spectator I thought blackstar was objectively very scummy and hu tao was objectively very towny
i basically think the way blackstar has conducted himself this whole phase screams scum and his posting is loaded with classic scum tells
As a biased player, i also get the added benefit of knowing Blackstar is scum, so there’s that
anyway it’s 4 am ill explain everything tomorrow and solve the game blah blah-
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For the record, this is not the type of post town makes when they are being counter claimed and on the verge of possibly winning or losing the game.In post 1254, BlackStar wrote:
Seeing caught scum flail like this is kind of sad. Now everyone is scum because they aren’t rushing to agree with you?In post 1248, Hu Tao wrote: Good luck figuring that out tomorrow between Brian and Kay. They both just fence sit.
This is a scummie’s idea of what a townie would sound like in this position, not what a toqnie would actually do/say
The confidence of Hu Tao being “caught scum” is overstated, because like for that to be true most other players would have to be leaning in Black Star’s direction
In general there’s a whole lot of bluster and over confidence in Black Star’s posts, including the most recent post about me
Town isn’t actually curious about how “caught scum” is going to “spin this”-
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I think the best way to put it is to try to imagine what type of emotion or mental state town!Black Star would be likely to have in this position
Does the blustery and confident “Haha you’re caught and obvious scum how quaint haha” tone fit with that?-
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I’m not the final authority
I have, however, played a shit ton of games and have a pretty good idea of how scum acts in this situation versus how town acts-
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Black Star what is your rationale for why Hu Tao counter claimed you again-
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also I don’t know why you are asking me sorting-esque questions if you have me as caught scumIn post 1320, BlackStar wrote:
What is the proper way to respond to someone who’ve blocked from carrying out a night kill? And why do you believe that you’re the final authority on how every town player acts?In post 1319, Dannflor wrote: I think the best way to put it is to try to imagine what type of emotion or mental state town!Black Star would be likely to have in this position
Does the blustery and confident “Haha you’re caught and obvious scum how quaint haha” tone fit with that?
Like obviously if that’s true I am just lying-
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oh it's probably youIn post 1326, Enchant wrote: BlackStar teammate?-
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random nurse is pretty easy to find as town and this doesn't look like a town ISO from him
you're doing this weird hedgey shadey thing of hu tao while not really committing to either side
brian skies is voting wrong but I don't really think there's a universe where he does the wall posts on leaning Hu Tao and Titus town and then votes Titus, that's just extremely unintuitive positioning for a brian/blackstar team here
KJQ I don't have like a super solid reason to be town beyond vibes-
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I mean hopefully I haven't read extensively beyond this day yetIn post 1335, KayJayQueue wrote:
I dunno, I think if you looked hard enough you could find some reasons lolIn post 1331, Dannflor wrote: KJQ I don't have like a super solid reason to be town beyond vibes-
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ohIn post 1337, Hu Tao wrote:He's probably clear btw. Enchant has a vanilla result on him. We have 4 pr. I don't think there is 2 goons
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why can't there be 2 goons + roleblocker-
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reporter - learns if a player has acted or not
town vanilla cop
town universal backup night 1 friendly neighbor
rolestopper
the most powerful role here is the rolestopper and it has the potential for negative utility
i don't really see why there couldn't be 2 goons balance wise-
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why did blackstar have to be the one to do the killIn post 1338, Hu Tao wrote: Unless you can think of an ultra strong PR. And even in that case Scum can't multitask. And because of this, Blackstar had to be the one to do the kill because of the claim. So if there was a scum goon it was likely BlackStar not Enchant. I just think mechanically he's town.
im sorry if im being dumb but im not following-
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reporter is a seems like an extremely weak role
i'm not following why that means multiple mafia prs either-
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where does mod confirm whether scum is multitasking or not-
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oh
ctrl + fing multitasking failed me-
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okay I'd like more time to read and think about the setup implications before ending the day
I'm busy at work right now but will put more time into this later this afternoon-
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I don't know how much help it is for me to town case Hu Tao given I'm probably scum in any world Hu Tao is scum
but I genuinely believe all the inconsistencies and things BlackStar is painting as lies and Hu Tao being unable to keep her story is straight is just normal towny messiness
when scum fake claim they are generally much more likely to have everything planned out and make sure to fact check themselves
like Hu Tao forgetting who she cleared is emblematic of telling the truth, not someone who came into the day with a preconceived plan
and on the flip side, mafia overwhelmingly leap onto things like inconsistencies from townies as evidence of them being scum-
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I also don't really know who I think it is between KJQ and Brian
or if I believe Enchant is cleared yet
I guess I still think Brian's trajectory today is really weird from scum but it's not out of the question-
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I mean with no-kill scum knew they'd likely be getting into a 1v1 with the claim anyway
I don't see why they wouldn't just claim their actions truthfully (I'm kinda assuming Black Star is actually a roleblocker or similar scum PR here) in case someone could catch them in a lie-
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also @Hu Tao you should claim who you are going to role stop before the day ends
it forces scum to either no-kill or clear someone-
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oh i was thinking jailkeeper im sorry im stupid-
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I wasn't literally thinking jail keeper but I was thinking the same abilities
I just kinda imagined what rolestop sounded like it did-
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kind of want to actually read the full game-
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jailkeeper also roleblocks, no?-
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you said that
I'm so sorry
I am lacking reading comprehension-
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eh reading the early game I think BlackStar's push onto Random Nurse on page 4 is likely to be scum finding a push onto a townie-
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reading random nurse's iso in context feels a lot more town
OKAY FINE enchant can be town-
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KJQ would have to be hard bussing yessiree D2
not out of the question but it's not really necessary and it's not like KJQ tries to scum case yessiree or anything for cred-
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enchant getting angey at KJQ seems towny-
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hm,In post 1136, Brian Skies wrote: I thought this was a slamdunk elimination, but the Blackstar-Penguin discrepancy makes me think otherwise.
I'll think on it later. :3-
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ultimately my stumbling point with Brian is that I have a really hard time imagining scum!Brian making these wall posts in 1286 and 1292, each concluding with "leaning hu tao town" and "I can see Titus as town" and then randomly back tracking in 1298 and voting Titus
it's just a really weird trajectory for scum to take in this position-
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I mean we could try to figure this out while we have 3 semi-confirmed townies alive-
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it would help me at least if you talked through more what you're thinking right now / where you're leaning-
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Setup
Town Lazy Jailkeeper
Town JoaT (One-Shot Doctor, One-Shot Tracker, One-Shot Vigilante)
Town Bodyguard
Town Macho 2-Shot Watcher
Vanilla Townie x6
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Roleblocker
I mean this is literally a setup I ran earlier this year and I think it had stronger PRs than shown here-
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well what do you think is most likely right now? how are you reading people?In post 1422, KayJayQueue wrote:
Well my biggest worry is that if Hu Tao is lying, we just lose here. And it’s still possible that she’s lying. I didn’t think she was scum originally but I don’t know. I’m second guessing myself. Jackson did say she was trying to pocket me early, maybe he was right.In post 1419, Dannflor wrote: it would help me at least if you talked through more what you're thinking right now / where you're leaning-
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I think I'm town reading Enchant
I don't fully agree Enchant is on the level of cop cleared but I'm not really considering him anymore-
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why don't you see Hu Tao as partnered with Brian-
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I mean I am town so if you are town I need to get you to see me as suchIn post 1428, KayJayQueue wrote: Well I don’t think you’re very likely to want to help me when you’re currently in both of my solves lol
so your worry is that scum intentionally no-killed to try to get one of black star or my slot to coast through end game?-
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i changed my mind about wanting more time blackstar's posts are annoying me
hu tao if you have any last words now's the time-
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I guess specifically words you have on KJQ vs. Brian because I'm leaning scum!KJQ at the moment-
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hu tao are you scum or are you trolling-
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enchant + me + KJQ + hu tao
ya dead-
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he unvoted after you got hammered-
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I do think I'm inclined to town read KJQ's reactions post hammer-
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well I can assure you I am town-
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