Large Normal 247 - Day 5

[Alianna]

4.01

Votecount 4.01

Lycanfire (1): Enchant

Not Voting (8): Random Nurse, Gypyx, Oblivion, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Psyche, Thomith, Lycanfire

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-29 13:51:06).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Gypyx]

enchant with the bangers

[geraintm]

popping in quickly.
will look at the votes tomorrow.

no objetion to the mass claim. i was up for it when it was first mooted.

[Oblivion]

context?

Like, i think it's pretty universal that scum don't like to bus on a base level

But ranger came in a pretty rough slot, with no PRs flipped, surely, someone is going to have to go deep to win it, and, you know, there's oblivion right here who's already pretty TR'd...

especially, what i think is the most damning is ranger just claiming and... whoops, gone, zero capitalization on some people's reactions

First of all, it isn't widely townread.

Second of all, it hasn't been exerting its efforts nearly enough for this.

Third of all, if it was setting up a bus on Ranger it would have done it in a manner to actually create credit and difficulty before doing it.

If you want an example of it using bussing to get ahead, go read its only other game on site where it was forced to bus both its partners to be widely townread as scum and lost because town had an auto solve.

And finally, on a more personal note, if it was scum this game with Dave who simply wasn't trying and then got Ranger who WAS trying, after last game where it was scum and forced to sit through two players who actively wanted to do nothing but game throw while it tried its best to dig them out of those holes, you had better believe it would have avoided bussing in every convievable world due to that experience.

Ranger was very clearly trying to survive, it spoke up and got so aggressive about killing Ranger because it saw her as slipping out of a noose.

[Psyche]

I guess I can allow that a hard bus was not an impossible strategic call there.
But it wasn't forced either; it seemed like pressure really was turning away from Ranger after the claim until Oblivion redoubled.
The main question though is still -- what in obsidian's iso should lean us to think it was bussing instead of pushing a scumread?
Without a good answer, I feel like we should townlean the slot by default. And honestly I probably more than townlean atm.

[Psyche]

first instinct was to fos enchant over targeting lycanfire but i'll stay open-minded

[Gypyx]

aight thread so actually i'll need your opinion on this

Enchant went in and claimed he was our traitor (me / thom), started half assing a bit of scum strategy talk

i'm calling out his bait, he doubles down and keeps up the talk

[Gypyx]

can't tell if this is town or scum

[Psyche]

2.15

Votecount 2.15

Ranger (3): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion
Hu Tao (3): Ranger, Naerys, PenguinPower
Snow2697 (2): Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Thomith (1): Snow2697

Not Voting (2): geraintm, Lycanfire

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-07 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

Ranger's claim is so many levels of BS.

Does no one except it remember when Ranger bragged about how surprised it woupd be about her claim and then claimed the least surprising most obvious bait claim in the world that didn't match that tone at all?

What is going to happen is that Ranger will live today if you let her, live tomorrow on promise of shooting someone but you will never get that shot. Either they will claim to be roleblocked or shoot a townie and then if you go "okay time to sort ranger" it is MELO and you won't have space to do it.

Now is the time to murder this suspicious player with a suspicious claim. Town does not need a N3 Vig or a N4 Jailkeeper, and more likely it is a scum fake claim.

We should not be running up other players to claim to feed the scum more info on our roles.

Murder Ranger with it, they will flip scum.

ehhhh. naw.

[Lycanfire]

Let's hold off on the mass claim for a bit. We could be at melo, so it should be on the table.

Enchant's probably getting their feet wet into the game. Not sure how AI how they've done it is.

I think Normal Traitors existence need to be known to mafia. I always thought this was lame for this queue, because back on my homesite it was a thing to buddy scummy people hard and see if they would turn on a dime of shitty reasoning believing they were working with a traitor.

Seems like a waste of energy to make this bait

[Gypyx]

to be at MeLo this game would need to have 5 scum

[Lycanfire]

Naerys' desired reaction: I don't feel bad about limming you. You played inconsistently, made too many susses and ultimately harmed the town through play. You were indisquishable from scum. I won't call you a bad player because I've made all those mistakes as well in the past.

I'll bend for you but I won't break. You'll need to go into some more details at times, be more focused and try to towntell. I'll try to pick up on those tells and sort them from you doing what you do. Meet me somewhere in the middle and I hope to play with you again.

That said I'll review your susses.

[Lycanfire]

to be at MeLo this game would need to have 5 scum

I took my medication after work yesterday which gave me crazy energy into the night. I just woke up from being comatose so the brain aint working good

[Lycanfire]

I'm not pro mass claim but I think we should if we out a ""PR"". In my experience, popcorn tends to be the best way to go. Just be really aggressive with people and make them feel like holding up the process is the scumminess thing you could do.

[Gypyx]

I'm not pro mass claim but I think we should if we out a ""PR"". In my experience, popcorn tends to be the best way to go. Just be really aggressive with people and make them feel like holding up the process is the scumminess thing you could do.

we already have 2 PR's out (me / thom) and another dead

i think i like starting with oblivion

[Lycanfire]

I did some thinking and I support a mass claim.

Oblivion doesn't seem like the best starting point to me, but it probably does not change much.

[Thomith]

I did some thinking and I support a mass claim.

Oblivion doesn't seem like the best starting point to me, but it probably does not change much.

Who would you prefer start?

[Lycanfire]

If we go this route I would prefer popcorn where the claimer chooses the next person to go

[Lycanfire]

I did some thinking and I support a mass claim.

Oblivion doesn't seem like the best starting point to me, but it probably does not change much.

Who would you prefer start?

Enchant for sure just because we can leverage pressure over potential repscum. If they're town there is little drawback.

Geraint seems like the best choice to me

[Random Nurse]

anyways i guess massclaiming today would be a wise idea

Oh, now you want to massclaim?

That's funny.

[Enchant]

I did some thinking and I support a mass claim.

Oblivion doesn't seem like the best starting point to me, but it probably does not change much.

Who would you prefer start?

Enchant for sure just because we can leverage pressure over potential repscum. If they're town there is little drawback.

Geraint seems like the best choice to me

If i want to claim, i gonna do it in hood with two masons anyway, not here.

Who knows maybe i already did.


Popcorn to Lycanfire.

[Lycanfire]

That's fine. If Gypyx or Thomith can confirm that took place outside a traitor claim I'll move this on.

[Enchant]

They obviously joking about traitor claim lol.

I never claimed traitor in hood.

[Lycanfire]

Were you spectating the game before replacement?

[Enchant]

Of course no.