Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, haven't you always scumread my slot?

I originally scum-read you, but that went away for the most part because of how the day happened which I believe I had said. I

really

believed my Eiralox read and that sprinkled down to reading you in a better light but that light is gone so I wanna reassess what part of that feeling was because of in the moment and what I still believe in retrospect. I caught in the moment that the read was linked to mine on Eiralox but I didn't care cuz I was so confident lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahhhh so is Jack actually just bad?

You're quick to jump on that

[JacksonVirgo]

Getting nervous that Luka could be town. If so then maybe gif is scum and I'm being bamboozled. Still feel good about kay

Why are you nervous Luka could be town?

VOTE: Hu Tao

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahhhh so is Jack actually just bad?

You're quick to jump on that

Not that quick. I’ve been worried about you this entire game.

I'm hyperaware of that lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: KJQ This isn't the Kay I played with. Kay I played with is much more skeptical and tries to be more independent with her reads.

Ah so you're seeing a difference too, usually I've been pretty confidently town-reading her this game but this time over it's a lot weaker

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not convinced it's her as a wolf though

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't know if scum!kay would be this publicly paranoid about my slot. If scum!kay wanted me out because she's afraid of my town game, I'd be shot so this is a factor of me seeing if the paranoia and the behaviour around it is justified and at the moment it is. This is pending though as I'm going strictly off memory, if this wagon kicks off I'll double check this

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think Kay thinks I have a good point if she can't understand me, and won't immediately call GIF as helpful without asking more questions.

I'm not convinced it's her as a wolf though

Where do you think it's coming from?

She just had a closed game where she voted wrong in ELO, which could be a reason for her to feel the need to put that trust on somebody's thoughts instead of her own. It feels weird regardless but the core of the behaviour is justified imho

[JacksonVirgo]

The differences I'm feeling come from before that moment though, if you are seeing a difference in its entirety moreso than this phase I am interested in developing this idea

[JacksonVirgo]

I will be regardless, but it'd be bumped in my priority list

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think Kay thinks I have a good point if she can't understand me, and won't immediately call GIF as helpful without asking more questions.

The comment about you having a good point was a joke since I didn’t understand what you were saying.

Oh

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd be shot

Over a claimed PR and IC?

I was just meaning that she'd resolve that through night actions than pushing me like this

[JacksonVirgo]

If scum!kay was afraid of town!jack, pushing me like this doesn't feel like what she'd do

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think Kay thinks I have a good point if she can't understand me, and won't immediately call GIF as helpful without asking more questions.

The comment about you having a good point was a joke since I didn’t understand what you were saying.

Oh

Ugh I know you know I’m town I just need to figure out if all this “oh could Kay be bad” stuff is you playing a part as scum or if you just don’t react well to me not blindly town reading you like I have in ever other game. I know it feels weird for me to not be in your side immediately but I don’t know what else to do here. You’re being weird.

What? I don't even think you understand what I'm saying/believing

[JacksonVirgo]

If scum!kay was afraid of town!jack, pushing me like this doesn't feel like what she'd do

You’re right, I wouldn’t but would scum!Jack push town!Kay? Maybe we will find out.

Of course I would

[JacksonVirgo]

As would town!jack if you're acting scummy

[JacksonVirgo]

Your comments were funny at first but now they're just tiring honestly, I'd prefer it if you argue your thoughts if you believe them instead of making comments like that

[JacksonVirgo]

I wouldn't even kill the IC in this world, firebringer is a literal brick wall this game

[JacksonVirgo]

Someone is scum between JV and KJQ, I can feel it.

Why?

[JacksonVirgo]

Guys guys guys, holy fuck this is actually important! I realised that I may actually have a red-check

Spoiler:

jk, get fucked

[JacksonVirgo]

Your comments were funny at first but now they're just tiring honestly, I'd prefer it if you argue your thoughts if you believe them instead of making comments like that

This seems like you know exactly how to get me to shut down and that’s to make me feel bad about myself. I don’t appreciate it. I’m fighting against myself a lot this game and I don’t like feeling as lost as I do right now. You’re doing nothing to help me townread you, you’re just making me feel bad about how I’m playing (because I’m not townreading you? I don’t know)

No, I'm telling you how I feel. I'm feeling like I'm being unfairly treated by you just because you don't trust me, I'd rather you explain your thought process so I can respond to it properly because they're off hand comments

[JacksonVirgo]

Like one game of mine, the scum game had shifted your entire playstyle regarding me and it went from bouncing off each other in a way where we solve two games like so quick to this and it's frustrating honestly. First it is making it hard to read you properly or with any degree of confidence because every comment I make is almost immediately disregarded by you and you're not showing me your mindset in a way where I can actually discuss it with you. It's not meshing well like our usual games

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not confident at all at being able to discern your alignment like I usually did because the way you're treating me is a stark contrast so I don't know if that's because your trust for me is down the drain or if you're scum. You then get frustrated and shade

ME

for not being able to read you properly without realising this difference is not just on me. You're completely different. It feels entirely unfair. I said as much when you commented on my wallpost and I'm feeling it now.

[JacksonVirgo]

Your dynamic is off. Mostly from your end. You're overly snappy at KJQ instead of the usual sweet. Cheeky at most, if you're against each other. I don't buy that this is how you would behave toward her even if you think she's scum. It feels like an overcorrective way to distance yourself or a reverse psychology.

Yeah I gotta keep flirting with Kay, thanks for reminding me

[JacksonVirgo]

Also don't throw your assumption at how I behave down my throat and calling it off. That's annoying, you don't know me enough to make that assessment

[JacksonVirgo]

When I feel I'm being unfairly treated, I speak up about it. I don't care who it is

[JacksonVirgo]

Fuck you HEM, last time I open up here

[JacksonVirgo]

How dare I have built up feelings about being treated unfairly, fuck sake

[JacksonVirgo]

Back off

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't want to misplay here, idk what to do really.

Sorry for how I treated you though HEM

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh also fun thing about VCA.
Y'all won't be able to do VCA properly because I was gone for the most of the day, so it ruins analysis for y'all.
Hence why I said I was cheating when I did VCA

Okie dokes

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Where are your reads even at? You shade me all game and then when a wagon on me is possible, you vote who I'm voting?

[JacksonVirgo]

firebringer is a literal brick wall this game

The best kind of wall there is

What's your favourite type of brick? Mine's a cinderblock

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Where are your reads even at? You shade me all game and then when a wagon on me is possible, you vote who I'm voting?

I didn’t realize you were voting Hu.

I’m confused. I don’t know what the right move is. The VCA makes sense because even if GIF is bad, I don’t think Luka is scum so at least 1 scum had to vote Eira. Which means it’s, at minimum, a 1 in 3. I can’t tell if you’re bad or not. I can’t tell if Hu is bad or not.

Can you elaborate on your reads please. I need to understand where you're coming from

[JacksonVirgo]

Based on meta you're a lock wolf.

Wait, you fr? That fascinates me, you are the only one that knows me there so I'm curious. Even if that's post game

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, you fr? That fascinates me, you are the only one that knows me there so I'm curious. Even if that's post game

You pushed a town D1.

Wow, I'm actually flustered you think I'm this goated

[JacksonVirgo]

Again, you asked. I can have thoughts, thank you very much. And I will verbalize my thoughts when asked.

Bestie I think that Jackson is actually a bit annoyed no matter their alignment, you can treat them a bit more fairly.

I had a feeling, they asked why I felt that way, I answered them, and they reacted the way they did. Can you tell me where I have treated them unfairly?

I was responding to Kay in a bulk of those posts, not you

[JacksonVirgo]

I responded to you about how I felt about yours directly, I don't understand the AtE nonsense you were saying I was referring to you. I feel you're throwing wrong assumptions down my throat, I will call that out.

[JacksonVirgo]

I open up about the reasons I've been acting the way I have in regards to Kay, leveling with her as I know that's necessary for us both to do if we're town. Building up feelings of being treated unfairly for the sake of the game wasn't working, so I let it out in a way which I was hoping would later then resolve these feelings and then see each other for what we are more than having differences in games affect the read if it's simply because this game is the first we aren't inherently town-reading each other out of the gate.

It was a necessary action on my half and you labelling that as AtE you don't believe was insulting when it had nothing to do with you. It was me leveling with her, I don't want this game to break her confidence in herself and I don't want this game to affect future games in a way that it shouldn't. I was also upset about how things were going and needed to express it and open up a line of communication with her about explaining her thought processes because that wasn't there between us and I needed it to be there.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Where are your reads even at? You shade me all game and then when a wagon on me is possible, you vote who I'm voting?

I didn’t realize you were voting Hu.

I’m confused. I don’t know what the right move is. The VCA makes sense because even if GIF is bad, I don’t think Luka is scum so at least 1 scum had to vote Eira. Which means it’s, at minimum, a 1 in 3. I can’t tell if you’re bad or not. I can’t tell if Hu is bad or not.

Can you elaborate on your reads please. I need to understand where you're coming from

Which reads? What is most confusing about me right now?

I want you to explain your read on me first and foremost, and why you're reading me as such but also I have no idea where you stand anywhere else. You're being quite vague and sheepish so it's hard to gauge what you actually believe

[JacksonVirgo]

I responded to you about how I felt about yours directly, I don't understand the AtE nonsense you were saying I was referring to you. I feel you're throwing wrong assumptions down my throat, I will call that out.

I'm not throwing/shoving anything down your throat so you can stop visualizing that naughty business. Your dynamic feels off, and I said why it feels off for me. Whether or not you take that and shove it anywhere in your body is your choice. <3

You assumed how I'd act when I'm against her just by knowing how I am when I'm town-reading her. You should know first hand how I am against someone, you were one of those people in that Frenemies game. I don't know why just because it's Kay means that changes. I find scum first and foremost, that's my goal.

The assumption that I'd be cheeky and and overly sweet in all worlds is wrong. Flat out wrong.

Calling that out

is important

, I don't know why you're trying to throw away my response to you when it's EXTREMELY relevant if you truly want to solve me and not just push me

[JacksonVirgo]

you labelling that as AtE

not what I'm labelling AtE. the AtE was the immediate burst of emotion telling me that i don't know you enough to assume anything. you're right, but i can try!

My last post is a suitable response to this too. Also, come get to know me by coming to my bday party. We'll have a pinata and a bouncing castle

[JacksonVirgo]

I dont' believe ur trying to find scum at all here.

Good for you dude

[JacksonVirgo]

My main goal was to smooth out my feelings regarding Kay to see what's happening there, and look over HEM again which I have yet to do because I was watching a fashion show and then I was dealing with other situations that I do not have to disclose here. There's also more but I'm holding that close to my chest for now

I don't care what you believe, I'm finding scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Pro-tip: You could have always said that, and it would have been a better discussion all-in-all. Note how this time, it's absent of heated language? Now you're appealing to my logic.

I was overwhelmed dude, I had a lot on my plate. I'm sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

I know my last post isn't conducive to a dialogue, but do you want to explain ur solve or how ur sorting at all to me. Or u going to keep that hidden in the back and presumably just call me bad/etc when I supposedly just yeet you.

I've been explaining what I need to explain, anything I'm keeping hidden will come out when I'm at E-1 but otherwise I'm sticking to what I'm doing. I'm addressing what I feel is most important for me to address for now, the day is long I don't have to do everything all at once. That's not healthy

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like I explained why I was feeling weird about you initially after the wall post. You seemed way more invested right off the bat than you normally do as town. Combined with what you were pulling out as “reads” on me didn’t feel genuine. It felt like you were trying to pull some sort of reverse psychology on me and moreso, for the rest of town.

I townread Luka. I didn’t townread GIF at all D1 but he’s feeling towny today. I leaned town on HEM. I didn’t townread Eira outright but didn’t scumread. Umlaut went either way for me which is why my vote landed there. You and Hu are confusing to me and as I said, I feel like a blind spot there. I’m obviously being fooled by someone but I can’t figure out who. So I’m very paranoid that it’s one or both of you and I’m too in denial to fully think that. It’s why I’ve bounced from you to her. I don’t know. I really don’t.

You already know why I made that wallpost, it was a burst of energy where I did a whole bunch of things. As Town I'm often one of the top posters, and have been consistently in all games we've played together barring some insanity like ketchup existing. Games I repped into maybe not so much because it's harder for me to get that initial burst of motivation to catch up and be on the same state as everybody else but that's not what this game is. I thought we had already smoothed that part out. You said it didn't feel genuine because it wasn't like normal, which isn't a great precedent to set because games will be different even if most of the time they're not. You're acting different and at the same time I realise what you're doing is townie, I just feel you're looking at the wrong things regarding me honestly but I'm not blaming you, I understand it.

You say that Hu Tao and myself are a blindspot for you, but if that's the case I don't understand why you'd be voting Hu Tao here instead of me. I'm already being voted, and you've been scum-reading me all game. You instead vote Hu Tao who is the other side of your supposed blindspot, who I am voting. Which is a strange place to put a vote, you say you didn't know but your vote is still there. I starting to feel your read on me isn't genuine based on this behaviour

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not pressuring shit, I'm saying it feels off. Do whatever you want with that

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't twist that shit on me

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah fuck that

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't know them from MU, you have fire for that side but no. Nothing has been outside of what I deem to be his scumrange but I do town-read him nonetheless. There's a few posts that have given me a little pause, like his confidence on peoples read on himself feels a little strange, it feels like he's trying to "fake it till he makes it" in a sense, which is corroborated by his old readlist where he was talking about towning the top three even though it included himself and the IC. That's the only issue I see with him at the moment and it really is bugging me, it feels downright manipulative

[JacksonVirgo]

I was realtime unpacking my thoughts by typing that out, I'm genuinely concerned about that now more than when it was just in my head. I wanna check that out

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not pressuring shit, I'm saying it feels off. Do whatever you want with that

You were saying I don’t seem genuine, which to me implied I’d be genuine if I changed my vote. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted.

I don't like how you twisted my analysis of you as me pressuring you to do anything, or that I'm trying to mastermind you into a funnel. I'm just saying my reads on you, every time I try doing that and treating you like a player I get it thrown in my face

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not pressuring shit, I'm saying it feels off. Do whatever you want with that

You were saying I don’t seem genuine, which to me implied I’d be genuine if I changed my vote. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted.

I don't like how you twisted my analysis of you as me pressuring you to do anything, or that I'm trying to mastermind you into a funnel. I'm just saying my reads on you, every time I try doing that and treating you like a player I get it thrown in my face

I don’t think I’m throwing things in your face. I might be misinterpreting things but I’m not trying to do anything beyond figuring out this game. I’m sorry if it’s coming off in a way I’m not intending.

You never responded to you twisting my words

[JacksonVirgo]

I might be distracting the town. I'm just gonna trust Firebringer and GIF on Luka. Maybe the right elim is Hu Tao mechanically, just so we can find out if Luka is town. I don't think Luka pushes a teammate in the middle of a humaneatingmonkey/Eiralox dual-wagon that they're going to townread, unless they underestimate how swingy the game can get. VOTE: Hu Tao At least if Hu Tao flips scum, we can stop worrying about Luka.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: unvote

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll catch up soon, have been busy this weekend and forgot to V/LA

[JacksonVirgo]

I should be catching up within the hour

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ve been drinking that’s not a food idea at this point, but fuck it

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay. I'm just gonna claim because i cba to try and this will narrow it down. I'm gated tracker. Jackson went nowhere last night. Still think he can be scum though.

You’re ballsy as fuck if this is fake as it’s clear I was softing a PR

[JacksonVirgo]

How much power does town usually have in a micro?

Not much, depends on scum PRs

[JacksonVirgo]

I've been explaining what I need to explain, anything I'm keeping hidden will come out when I'm at E-1

This worries me. What could possibly come out at E-1 if we have 2 confirmed and another claimed town role.

Magic

[JacksonVirgo]

I think we might as well massclaim, tbh

I doubt that goes anywhere but I’m down

[JacksonVirgo]

PRs are .5 points by the way so my push is fully justified post game

What does this mean

PRs normally act kinda wolfy so scum reading a PR is normally half a scum reading a wolf point

Wadafak

[JacksonVirgo]

JV will be prodded in 5 hours.

Nuh uh!

[JacksonVirgo]

I was trying to draw the kill or at least scum PRs if they existed, depends how obvious you feel my pr softs were. I feel it was very obvious so I’m inclined to believe her, ofc she could be a wolf tracker that’s true claiming but idt that makes sense with a BG on its lonesome (assumption)

[JacksonVirgo]

He’s been sleeping for like 12 hours, he needs to wake up lol

Calling me out like that

[JacksonVirgo]

we should massclaim i say jackson starts first

Im a two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda

[JacksonVirgo]

Acknowledging you want me to claim, and I’m the asshole that’s delaying it further cuz I’m cool like that, oh and here’s a gif to celebrate the occasion

Spoiler:

Im VT, obviously

[JacksonVirgo]

Be shooketh

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: HEM

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven’t done my dive on kay or hem yet, I’m using my legacy reads for this vote but it’s massively tentative. It’s just getting my vote off tao

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m at E-1 thanks for not declaring that

[JacksonVirgo]

Consider what worlds exist where scum!me would not be killing here

[JacksonVirgo]

Vote accordingly instead of wasting the tracker clear on me because you’re close minded and want one thing and one thing only

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you think a tracker clear even means in this context, dumbass

[JacksonVirgo]

Consider what worlds exist where scum!me would not be killing here

Jesus fucking christ

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah I wanna watch this town implode actually

[JacksonVirgo]

Was town, enjoy

[JacksonVirgo]

Back off

[JacksonVirgo]

Never said I was the victim? The fuck?

[JacksonVirgo]

I received fruit btw

[JacksonVirgo]

I received fruit btw

Why didn’t you say that someone was lying when we were claiming? We could’ve used that info.

Cuz it’s a lie

[JacksonVirgo]

Hu Tao the killjoy