Mini 722: Neapolitan Mafia (Over)

[magnus_orion]

Unfortunately there are no ideas to flow freely or discuss... because there are no ideas to flow freely or discuss.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Vote Count

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

Beyond_Birthday - 1 (magnus_orion)
Isacc - 1 (don_johnson)
magnus_orion - 1 (Zachrulez)
Lindisfarne - 1 (PsychoSniper)
don_johnson - 2 (Rogue Shenanigans, Percy)
McNuke - 1 (Isacc)
PsychoSniper - 1 (Lindisfarne)
Percy - 1 (McNuke)

Not Voting

Beyond_Birthday, Nikelaos, & tyhess

As of the time of this post, inactivity timers have started.

[magnus_orion]

hmmmmm....
alright, discuss this:

Fos: Tyhess

, for not random voting

[Nikelaos]

Alrigh, discuss this,

FOS: Magnus

for not voting me for failing to random vote as well

But I'll do it anyway,

Vote: Rogue

, I can't stand to put up with any shenanigans

[magnus_orion]

Wow, How did I know that would be the first thng someone said about that.
I don't recall you posting.

[tyhess]

Alrigh, discuss this,

FOS: Magnus

for not voting me for failing to random vote as well

But I'll do it anyway,

Vote: Rogue

, I can't stand to put up with any shenanigans

What shenanigans?


and

Vote:Magnus

for FOSing me for not random voting. Random voting imo is pointless, but people do it. But FOSing one person for not random voting, when there are other people who haven't voted/posted this early in the game, is imo dumb. Again, your fishing for things to vote/FOS people for. I know it's early, but still.

[PsychoSniper]

vote: PsychoSniper

OMGUS random-yet-not vote.

Vote me for a bag over my head? You sir are carrying a gun in your avatar. Scum carry guns. Far more scummy than a mere bag

There are quite a few roles in Mafia that carry guns, and not all of them are anti-town.

I don't remember about any roles that require them to wear bags over their heads though.

[PsychoSniper]

Alrigh, discuss this,

FOS: Magnus

for not voting me for failing to random vote as well

But I'll do it anyway,

Vote: Rogue

, I can't stand to put up with any shenanigans

What shenanigans?

I think it's a reference to his full user-name.

Again, your fishing for things to vote/FOS people for. I know it's early, but still.

Aren't we all? I mean, the guy who has the most votes at the moment is supposedly being voted for his hair.

[tyhess]

Alrigh, discuss this,

FOS: Magnus

for not voting me for failing to random vote as well

But I'll do it anyway,

Vote: Rogue

, I can't stand to put up with any shenanigans

What shenanigans?

I think it's a reference to his full user-name.

Good Call. Don't know why I didn't catch that.

Again, your fishing for things to vote/FOS people for. I know it's early, but still.

Aren't we all? I mean, the guy who has the most votes at the moment is supposedly being voted for his hair.

Ya, but Magnus's FOS's etc are for things happening in the game, while the other things such as the hair are, well, random.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

Unvote,Vote:tyhess

He seems to be acting pretty jumpy at almost everything:P

Not a strong tell but its better than my don hairman vote.

[magnus_orion]

why do I finding not random voting suspicious?
Well, random voting is supposed to be used to guage reactions. Guaging reactions is a way of finding scum. Therefore guaging reactions is pro-town. Therefore, by extension, random voting is pro-town. Not participating in a pro-town action is anti-town. Therefore not random voting is anti-town, and Anti-town is scummy. I expect, by page 3, for everyone whose posted to have made a random vote, unless something happened which ended the random vote stage. At which point random votes become scummy.

[magnus_orion]

Sorry for the double post, but...
Tyhess, are you trying to say we should avoid voting or fosing people for things that are in game related?

[tyhess]

why do I finding not random voting suspicious?
Well, random voting is supposed to be used to guage reactions. Guaging reactions is a way of finding scum. Therefore guaging reactions is pro-town. Therefore, by extension, random voting is pro-town. Not participating in a pro-town action is anti-town. Therefore not random voting is anti-town, and Anti-town is scummy. I expect, by page 3, for everyone whose posted to have made a random vote, unless something happened which ended the random vote stage. At which point random votes become scummy.

So your telling me:
1) Scum and town act different to a random vote when both of their goals when they type are the same-to act pro-town
and,
2) That a person who knows a vote is random will feel any ill-ease from it?

[tyhess]

Sorry for the double post, but...
Tyhess, are you trying to say we should avoid voting or fosing people for things that are in game related?

For the things you are bringing up, yes.

[magnus_orion]

why do I finding not random voting suspicious?
Well, random voting is supposed to be used to guage reactions. Guaging reactions is a way of finding scum. Therefore guaging reactions is pro-town. Therefore, by extension, random voting is pro-town. Not participating in a pro-town action is anti-town. Therefore not random voting is anti-town, and Anti-town is scummy. I expect, by page 3, for everyone whose posted to have made a random vote, unless something happened which ended the random vote stage. At which point random votes become scummy.

So your telling me:
1) Scum and town act different to a random vote when both of their goals when they type are the same-to act pro-town
and,
2) That a person who knows a vote is random will feel any ill-ease from it?

err... essentially, yes, that's the idea behind the whole random vote thing. I didn't make it up, but the only other way to start a game (as far as I can tell) would be a gambit.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

Random votes provoke discussion... even if you are just discussing how useless it is .

Some games need a push start... I have played games without random voting on another site... without an early mistake from a player the game can easily grind to a halt before it ever really gets moving.

[tyhess]

I know you didn't make it up. I just don't think that it works like that, and I don't think you should be FOSing people who don't believe in your way of playing. I think it's anti-town in the fact that you get people arguing over pointless stuff such as the time 2 people confirmed.

[tyhess]

Random votes provoke discussion... even if you are just discussing how useless it is .

Some games need a push start... I have played games without random voting on another site... without an early mistake from a player the game can easily grind to a halt before it ever really gets moving.

The only time I think random votes are worth it are:
1) when no ones discussing anything at the beginning of the day
2) you have a lot of lurkers and you want them to start to talk.

[Rogue Shenanigans]

No one IS discussing anything at the beginning of the day. Also, as bad as the random vote jokes are, they do (at least for me) convey a sense of community and friendliness which can be nice since the rest of the game is full of arguing and murder.

[tyhess]

No one IS discussing anything at the beginning of the day. Also, as bad as the random vote jokes are, they do (at least for me) convey a sense of community and friendliness which can be nice since the rest of the game is full of arguing and murder.

haha, true, true....

As for the fact that no one is discussing anything at the beginning of the day, we could maybe take cracks at the roles in this game, how the game is balanced, or other random things that have to do with this particular game.....but that's just one man's opinion...

[magnus_orion]

Sorry for the double post, but...
Tyhess, are you trying to say we should avoid voting or fosing people for things that are in game related?

For the things you are bringing up, yes.

...
So basically, I'm vote-worthy for fishing for targets I think are scummy for my votes and fos's(from what I understand given more recent context).
In other words, we should not be looking for reasons to vote people. Or rather only reasons you find acceptable.
Whats the alternative?
*reads rules*
1. Wait for a dead line. No lynch occurs. Scum get nightkill. Move to day 2.
2. Listen to whatever tyhess says and lynch whomever he deems scummy.
3. random lynch
So, at this point, I'll stick to my fishing, thank you.

I know you didn't make it up. I just don't think that it works like that, and I don't think you should be FOSing people who don't believe in your way of playing. I think it's anti-town in the fact that you get people arguing over pointless stuff such as the time 2 people confirmed.

Anyway, what's your way of playing? Assuming a different game, what method would you use to start the game off?

[magnus_orion]

Sorry, double post, this was posted while I was posting....

No one IS discussing anything at the beginning of the day. Also, as bad as the random vote jokes are, they do (at least for me) convey a sense of community and friendliness which can be nice since the rest of the game is full of arguing and murder.

haha, true, true....

As for the fact that no one is discussing anything at the beginning of the day, we could maybe take cracks at the roles in this game, how the game is balanced, or other random things that have to do with this particular game.....but that's just one man's opinion...

We should be trying to figure out what the roles are? To what end? So mafia can false claim?

unvote vote: Tyhess

[PsychoSniper]

No one IS discussing anything at the beginning of the day. Also, as bad as the random vote jokes are, they do (at least for me) convey a sense of community and friendliness which can be nice since the rest of the game is full of arguing and murder.

haha, true, true....

As for the fact that no one is discussing anything at the beginning of the day, we could maybe take cracks at the roles in this game, how the game is balanced, or other random things that have to do with this particular game.....but that's just one man's opinion...

Taking cracks at roles or setup mechanisms will benefit scum more than town at this stage, considering Town has no information to work with this early. The scum are in a better position to learn more from these speculations.

It

might

have been more viable if we had started on a Night, where at least Town would have had a bit of info concerning the number of nightkills that occurred, or whatever the power-roles could have learned by their night actions. In our current state where Town knows nothing, it's a big no-no, IMO.

FOS tyhess

for what I consider to be an anti-town suggestion.

[Zachrulez]

why do I finding not random voting suspicious?
Well, random voting is supposed to be used to guage reactions. Guaging reactions is a way of finding scum. Therefore guaging reactions is pro-town. Therefore, by extension, random voting is pro-town. Not participating in a pro-town action is anti-town. Therefore not random voting is anti-town, and Anti-town is scummy. I expect, by page 3, for everyone whose posted to have made a random vote, unless something happened which ended the random vote stage. At which point random votes become scummy.

I agree that random voting can have it's uses.

I don't agree that not random voting is either anti-town or scummy. It's a player preference really isn't it?

I think your analysis here is a bit of a reach...

However

Sorry, double post, this was posted while I was posting....

No one IS discussing anything at the beginning of the day. Also, as bad as the random vote jokes are, they do (at least for me) convey a sense of community and friendliness which can be nice since the rest of the game is full of arguing and murder.

haha, true, true....

As for the fact that no one is discussing anything at the beginning of the day, we could maybe take cracks at the roles in this game, how the game is balanced, or other random things that have to do with this particular game.....but that's just one man's opinion...

We should be trying to figure out what the roles are? To what end? So mafia can false claim?

unvote vote: Tyhess

This is an interesting point. On top of false claim, my main concern with "taking cracks" at roles is that we will draw a map for the mafia so that they know exactly who to kill at night and in what order.

FOS: Tyhess

[tyhess]

Sorry for the double post, but...
Tyhess, are you trying to say we should avoid voting or fosing people for things that are in game related?

For the things you are bringing up, yes.

...
So basically, I'm vote-worthy for fishing for targets I think are scummy for my votes and fos's(from what I understand given more recent context).
In other words, we should not be looking for reasons to vote people. Or rather only reasons you find acceptable.
Whats the alternative?
*reads rules*
1. Wait for a dead line. No lynch occurs. Scum get nightkill. Move to day 2.
2. Listen to whatever tyhess says and lynch whomever he deems scummy.
3. random lynch
So, at this point, I'll stick to my fishing, thank you.

I know you didn't make it up. I just don't think that it works like that, and I don't think you should be FOSing people who don't believe in your way of playing. I think it's anti-town in the fact that you get people arguing over pointless stuff such as the time 2 people confirmed.

Anyway, what's your way of playing? Assuming a different game, what method would you use to start the game off?

Yes. You should listen to me and reason I find acceptable. Here's my list of acceptable votes:
1) People who lie.
2) People who act like idiots and, after 5-10 pages, have done nothing pro town.
3) Other things. From now on you can ask me what is acceptable and what is not.

Reason that I don't like agree with voting for people:
1) Very minute details that have nothing to do with the game.
2) Voting/FOSing for someone not agreeign with your theory.
3) See #3 above

And I answered that question above.

Sorry, double post, this was posted while I was posting....
tyhess wrote:
Rogue Shenanigans wrote:
No one IS discussing anything at the beginning of the day. Also, as bad as the random vote jokes are, they do (at least for me) convey a sense of community and friendliness which can be nice since the rest of the game is full of arguing and murder.


haha, true, true....

As for the fact that no one is discussing anything at the beginning of the day, we could maybe take cracks at the roles in this game, how the game is balanced, or other random things that have to do with this particular game.....but that's just one man's opinion...

We should be trying to figure out what the roles are? To what end? So mafia can false claim? Shocked
unvote vote: Tyhess

I would like actual discussion about this game, yes.