Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia II {Game Over!}

[freeko]

WAiting until the deadline is really bad , as the 2 players that are in prison will not be able to interect with anyone. Personally I would lose a slight bit of interest after a month of spectating.

So it boils down to finding the 4 poeple we would be most confident in sedning into the PD and voting them in, and the less time wasted in doing so the better.

[Stephoscope]

Its been ages with no new votes. Unless we want to wait till deadline, I think its fair to say 2B won it.

People, if you think my role distribution is good, say so. If not, say something else.

Send: Plum
Send; Narsis

I agree with this. I don't think there's any need to vote for a plan again.

Send: Plum
Send: Narsis

[CounselWolf]

I'll

Send: Plum

for now, but I reserve the right to keep my 2^nd (or technically 4^th) send for someone I feel better about trusting. I'm not so sure about Narsis at this point, but if I see something more convincing, I'll send him.

[doctor no]

Okay, i think 2B does take the lead. I'M down with sending more townies.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Unsend: DGB

Vote: modified version of 3

I agree with ABR that sending too many is bad on the first day, since we may be helping out the scum. But I don't agree it should be only 2 scummy-looking ones. There's no way to control people in this game - it's been said and I believe it's the correct statement.

So the problem with ABRs plan is that by only sending 2 scummy people we've got no way of getting rid of them if they don't do as instructed. I think plan 3 is better, because then we've got the scummy ones that we tell to vote yes/100%, and we can get townies that we can get investigations/viggings from to keep the two scummy ones from not listening to us.

The modification is this: only send 4 people - 2 scummy and 2 townie. That way we're not sending too many people, but it still gives us a system of checks and balances.

I don't know about this; I still think Sly's behavior, ie the "Oh yes I'm a miller too. Indeed. Yes. Indeed." is a little sketch, but I'm willing to belay the feeling that I'm getting in my gut (probably my liver, but it might also be appendicitis) and

Send: Lowell

Send: SlySly

I agree with this sentiment. I don't like the fact that he started in with the Death Miller line of questioning, and then suddenly switched over asking if the PM said Lowell was Pro-Town or not. This seems way too safe to me. If anything, I think Lowell claiming out of the gate is more pro-town than Sly fishing for information and then "settling" on a claim.

I don't know about this; I still think Sly's behavior, ie the "Oh yes I'm a miller too. Indeed. Yes. Indeed." is a little sketch, but I'm willing to belay the feeling that I'm getting in my gut (probably my liver, but it might also be appendicitis) and

Send: Lowell

Send: SlySly

I believe sly's claim as I think multiple millers fits with a game like this, in which we'll have tons of investigative roles going around. If there weren't something to balance it out (multiple false-guilties and false innocents) the roles would be too powerful.

If sly hadn't beat around the bush like he did I'd be more inclined to believe it. But he went fishing for information first, and that doesn't sit well with me. People have stated that they like sly's claim because he was trying to verify your status before claiming (ie: zach, post 100/103).

I'm looking at it from the opposite side of the mirror I guess. It seemed more to me that he was trying to find the safest position from which to claim first, whereas your claim was just put out there with no provocation. I can understand the other points of view, but my gut doesn't like it.

On reread it really does look like a guy contemplating a counterclaim and not sure how to proceed. It all looks legit to me.

But WHY does a Miller need to worry about a counter-claim? What's there to counter-claim?

"You're not a Miller! I'm a Miller!"

Really? Is that what you were expecting when you made your first post?

Lowell: Dayvig
SlySly: Day Cop

Why would you give people you trust less the ability to kill?

Because giving the more suspicious the daycop investigations means more risk of scum lies getting through (and some lies won't be too easily found either - and the last thing we need is scum falsly confirming a buddy innocent). Vig kills are more open, don't risk misinformation, and it's lots clearer whether the player did what the town instructed.

/agree.

Lowell: DayCop
SlySly: DayVig

I was kind of thinking that. I think the possibility for error is too high and the rewards granted are too powerful. We can't be positive with anybody but the millers.

I'm gonna go right ahead and

Request: End Day

We have 30-something days left. I think we should at least try to get one more pair sent.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

OOC: My weekends are very busy guys, and I don't get to post other than to update the games I'm Modding. I will make an effort to stay active during the week, but Sat/Sun is almost a no-post day.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Abstract Actuary replaces Detspeed, effective immediately.

Let's welcome Abstract Actuary to the game!

[CounselWolf]

Hooray Abstract Actuary! Many happy returns!

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

killa seven replaces Tuberkulos, effective immediately.

Let's welcome killa seven to the game!

[CounselWolf]

Hooray killa seven! Many happy returns!

[Narsis]

Send: Plum

Send: zachattack

and if i had a third vote it would go to Percy.

so far those are the people i've been getting the best feelings from. i think freeko is pro-town, but i don't trust him to stick to the plan, which would be a waste of a DK.

[Narsis]

oh and welcome to the two replacements. read your role pms, read through the thread, and give us your opinions.

[killa seven]

Hi guys!

[ortolan]

Why would you give people you trust less the ability to kill?

Though since the people who came up with the ideas are certainly going to see them through right?

send empking
send ortolan

lets see if you are down with practicing what you preached?

I'll reiterate for you one last time- Empking never advocated the plan of sending the two scummiest, that was me. And secondly, if I wanted to go in and kill myself in light of my plan that would be paradoxical, as it would not help me if I was either town or scum.

And I really, really think we should use all 3 prisons today.

Send: Plum
Send: Narsis

I would like to go too but I guess it's rude to vote for myself, and perhaps I can slip into the last pair. I'll just say I now want Plan 2 with 4 Investigates, 2 Daykills. And I think we should investigate the scummiest players rather than in a loop. Freeko should be the first to be investigated

[Percy]

I'm starting to think that we should try and finish this day off sooner rather than later. We need to start actually hunting scum with the info we gather, and waiting 30 days is just not going to get us anywhere without powers. People will lose interest, and it'll be harder to tell lurkers from inactives.

Lurkers:
Moratorium, The Central Scrutinizer, Seraphim, Ectomancer,
and to a lesser extent,
hp[leaves], solorpg



Hi new people!!

Mod:- Moratorium probably needs replacing too, and please prod TCS and Seraphim

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Lowell: Dayvig
SlySly: Day Cop

Great, let's do that.

@Those advocating sending scum: Is there anyone you'd be willing to send right now? Why?

[Percy]

Also, I'm not going to be posting tomorrow due to NYE celebrations. Hope everyone enjoys themselves!

I get a big townread from Albert, even though I disagree with his plans. I also get good vibes from Plum.

Send: Albert
Send: Plum

[solorpg]

And I think we should investigate the scummiest players rather than in a loop. Freeko should be the first to be investigated

QFT.

Other than the millers (whom I read as having the same orientation but am unsure), I have the best feelings about Plum and Percy. Their posts have been well thought out and trying to push the town forward. Though I disagree about Plan 2 v. Plan 3, I understand their motivations.

For the second pair of townish sends,

Send: Plum

Send: Percy

Since I have the best feeling about them, I would suggest that both of them choose daycop, especially if we choose 2B, as seems to be the consensus.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Prison Count #5

8 - Plum (zachattack, Empking, Stephoscope, CounselWolf, Narsis, ortolan, Percy, solorpg)
3 - Narsis (Empking, Stephoscope, ortolan)
2 - ortolan (freeko, zachattack)
2 - Percy (Plum, solorpg)

1 - End Day (RossWilliam)
1 - Empking (freeko)
1 - zachattack (Narsis)
1 - Albert B. Rampage (Percy)

Not Yet Voted:

Seraphim (2)
The Central Scrutinizer (2)
DrippingGoofball (2)
Albert B. Rampage (2)
doctor no (2)
Plum (1)
Moratorium (2)
hp [leaves] (2)
Kublai Khan (2)
killa seven (2)
CounselWolf (1)
Abstract Atuary (2)
Ectomancer (2)
Vel-Rahn Koon (2)

Remember the majority is 12 and the deadline is 3:00PM EST, Feb. 2nd

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Mod:- Moratorium probably needs replacing too, and please prod TCS and Seraphim

I think inactivity can be attributed to the holidays, so I will check activity after the New Year.

[Stephoscope]

I'm going to be traveling for the next couple days, but will be back here soon.

[DrippingGoofball]

Two millers, eh?

Send: Lowell
Send: SlySly

My votes were not counted?

Unsend
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Send: Lowell
Send: SlySly

[freeko]

Are you even remotely paying attention to what is going on?

Hello?

Anybody?

[Ectomancer]

I should have taken the time to figure out the modified rules for this game before signing up. I also needed to have read the first game. I signed up on SlySly's word that it was sure to be a very cool game. All that's water under the bridge, but I still haven't found the time to catch up. As has already been remarked upon, after the holiday season has passed and the craziness level is ratcheted back a bit, catching ups will happen.

[Abstract Actuary]

Hi all. I won't have much free time today or tomorrow but I should be able to get caught up and make a post by Friday.

[ortolan]

actually

Unsend: Narsis
Send: ortolan

I didn't realise Narsis said this:

i think freeko is pro-town