Mafia 90-Lolwat? Mafia, Game Over, Mafia Win
-
-
GnKoichi Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 594
- Joined: November 1, 2008
-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
*sits back to wait for a lynch*
while we're at it, can we discuss how obvtown penguins of the serengeti and yosarian2 are?
my personal opinion on both is "extremely obv town"soi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
Vino Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 685
- Joined: July 31, 2007
- Location: Cary, NC
This is my first non-newbie game, so I didn't know jesters are uncommon. The game description said there may be one. I figure pointing it out might be helpful, because if we lynch a jester he wins.
GnKoichi, I did say why I thought he was jester and not scum, that was this:
It was not very specific so I apologize. It was jestery in my opinion only because it was sloppy for scum play. I guess the term "very high likelihood" was strong phrasing for the associated logic, I tend to speak in absolutes too much.Vino wrote:His remarks read more to me of jester than blundering scum.
After further thinking last night, his play was pretty sloppy for a jester too, so I'm not convinced he's that either. I made the list of things he'd done so I could see in short form how he'd interacted with other players.
I'm not liking Serengeti's willingness to hammer two people on such little evidence.
I'm also not liking #201.Show[url=http://www.calamityfuse.com/]Calamity Fuse, a multiplayer FPS/RPG[/url]
[url=http://www.blacksheepblues.com/]Black Sheep Blues, a community-reactive online graphic novel[/url]
Total prods: 1
Replaced out: 0-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
well that was vaguevino wrote:I'm also not liking #201.soi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
Vino Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 685
- Joined: July 31, 2007
- Location: Cary, NC
Do I have to be specific?
Upon even further thinking I realize that if jester is such a rare role, then playing it obviously is not a bad tactic, so Litral's actions are in line with jester play. Still not convinced he is one, but I prefer it to scum.Show[url=http://www.calamityfuse.com/]Calamity Fuse, a multiplayer FPS/RPG[/url]
[url=http://www.blacksheepblues.com/]Black Sheep Blues, a community-reactive online graphic novel[/url]
Total prods: 1
Replaced out: 0-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
again, where is crywolf? her lurking is extremely uncharacteristic. and she has said exactly zero in this game that has bene in any way helpful.soi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
Natirasha Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9041
- Joined: February 18, 2008
- Location: preening her feathers
You are sososososo lucky orangepenguin. I have a replacement ready and everything now. Whatever, this means that Knights of Cydonia replaces tyhess immediately.
Remember, unvotes=required. Yes, I am anal about that.
Prodding Crywolf.
Vote Count 1.4 wrote:Numberfourteen(1): Lowell
Penguins of the Serengeti(0):
Lowell(0):
Vino(1): Litral
Head_Honcho(0):
Empking's Alt(1): numberfourteen
Knights of Cydonia(0):
orangepenguin(0):
Yosarian2(0):
roflcopter(0):
MafiaSSK(2): alvinz95, Penguins of the Sarengeti
crywolf20084(0):
StrangerCoug(2): Knights of Cydonia, Empking's Alt
Litral(5): MafiaSSK, StrangerCoug, Yosarian2, roflcopter, GnKoichi
alvinz95(0):
GnKoichi(0):
To Lynch: 9
Deadline: February 17Last edited by Natirasha on Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:42 am, edited 1 time in total.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
-
StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
- Does not Compute
- Does not Compute
- Posts: 12457
- Joined: May 6, 2008
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Vino wrote:I'm also not liking #201.FoS: Vinofor coming off here as not wanting Litral to talk about his refusal to unvote Numberfourteen.
The vote at #199 is the only thing keeping me from seeing a strong Litral/Vino connection, and I actually like the reasoning for the vote.
Mod: Just to make sure, please prod crywolf20084.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
Current avatar by PurryFurry of FurAffinity.
What Were You Thinking XV! is in progress.-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
don't let the desperate late distancing fool youStrangerCoug wrote:The vote at #199 is the only thing keeping me from seeing a strong Litral/Vino connection, and I actually like the reasoning for the vote.soi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
Litral Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 482
- Joined: April 2, 2008
Sure, why not.GnKoichi wrote:Litral, I'd really like to hear your answer to my questions in post 182 (and Coug's post 181 is a good read as well). What could numberfourteen have done after your vote that wouldn't have looked bad in your eyes?
1) Actually, yes, it WOULD be less scummy if he did not respond and we discovered that he simply wasn't here (although I am of course not suggesting that one should do so); but all evidence points to him lurking while reading. He postedGnKoichi wrote:Coug's on to the heart of it here. The original sin in this line of problems is your vote against a lurker when there had been no attempt to get him involved before hand. He got a little lost in the shuffle, which is understandable with the confusing arguments that were going on. When he DID get involved, you say it's bad timing. Would it have been LESS scummy for him to not respond at all and let himself get replaced? Once you voted for him, what WOULDN'T have been scummy in your eyes?three hoursafter Lowell voted him - if that isn't suspicious timing, what is it?
Oh, and claiming to be lost is also a scumtell.
2) I'm not sure what your second question means. An explanation as to why he wasn't here, good enough to show that he wasn't just lurking while reading, would take off a big part of my suspicions. As it stands, he has offered no explanations, and continues to lurk.
Again, and again, I never said his opinion is pro-town. I said his opinion is worth noting.And if you think his opinion is pro-town, why not lay off the lurker and help push the scum hunt on someone like rofl?
I don't think rofl is scum, that's why. Numberfourteen's lurk-posting was the one scumtell I caught and wanted to push. Was there a scum hunt on roflcopter? I don't see any.
Sorry, I don't think SC's 181 is a good read at all, but I'll respond to it.
I see two arguments here against my vote for Numberfourteen, and my later comment that it should stay.StrangerCoug wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me. As GnKoichi said, you and Lowell opted to vote a lurker in favor of asking the mod to prod him and analyzing the people actually posting content at the time. I rarely like lurker lynches as the mod will replace the lurker if it gets out of hand. Again, Numberfourteen could have had issues that prevented him from posting, and your failure to account for any that might exist is what drove me to vote you.Litral wrote:I'm saying that hispostwas scummy, but I have no idea whether theopinioncontained inside the post is scummy. The opinion and the post itself are two different things. Why? Because hispost, besides hisopinion, also contains other information: an important one is thesituationunder which it was made. The situation is that two people voted him for lurking and he immediately comes out with an opinion that should have been expressed earlier if he was pro-town. This is the sort of thing scum more often do than town, which is why I kept the vote on him.
1) Lurker lynches are bad.
-- That is entirely debatable. Lurking itself is a scumtell. Even if replaced, the suspicion stays. I'm pretty sure a lot of people agree that voting lurkers make sense if no strong suspicions exist.
2) I did not take into consideration any issues that prevented Numberfourteen from posting.
-- What are the chances that Numberfourteen had issues that prevented him from posting, which were resolved exactly three hours after Lowell had posted - which, I might say, have once again appeared, since he's not posting any more? Extremely small.
---------
Okay, to anyone who's voting me, I'd like to ask you two questions.
1) Is a lurker who posts only under pressure suspicious?
2) Is Numberfourteen a lurker who posts only under pressure?
If your answer to the above questions are both to the affirmative, then you must admit that my vote against him made complete sense, and thus your accusations of me attacking a pro-town person fall apart. Otherwise, please explain why you would say they are not true, because the town deserves to know why you are voting me.-
-
Litral Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 482
- Joined: April 2, 2008
Okay, so roflcopter in particular is voting me for lurkerhunting, not for attacking a pro-town player. Which deserves an alternative response.roflcopter wrote:
personally, i find the best response to straight up lurkers is a good old mod prod request. active lurkers are a different story, but that is not what litral was after.Yosarian2 wrote:
Eh; lurkerhunting is a neccessary thing for the town to do, though. If the town lets lurkers get away with lurking, then the town usually loses in endgame to a lurkerscum. I can find about a hundred examples of that...roflcopter wrote: yos, we obviously disagree on a point of game theory. i think lurkerhunting is as good as lurking in plain sight, it allows one to remain active but take part in absolutely zero real scumhunting and interact negiligibly with anyone who will actually respond.
rofl, which part of my vote do you suspect? The initial vote for Numberfourteen, or the latter insistence that it should stay? Because only the first part is voting someone for merely lurking - the second part is voting someone for both lurking and only responding to pressure.
I might remind you that Lowell also voted Numberfourteen for lurking; so why aren't you saying anything about him?-
-
StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
- Does not Compute
- Does not Compute
- Posts: 12457
- Joined: May 6, 2008
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
I won't.roflcopter wrote:
don't let the desperate late distancing fool youStrangerCoug wrote:The vote at #199 is the only thing keeping me from seeing a strong Litral/Vino connection, and I actually like the reasoning for the vote.
Maybe three days, as three hours is not a lot of time on this site. Now, if you're playing meatworld Mafia or a ridiculously long IRC game...Litral wrote:
1) Actually, yes, it WOULD be less scummy if he did not respond and we discovered that he simply wasn't here (although I am of course not suggesting that one should do so); but all evidence points to him lurking while reading. He postedGnKoichi wrote:Coug's on to the heart of it here. The original sin in this line of problems is your vote against a lurker when there had been no attempt to get him involved before hand. He got a little lost in the shuffle, which is understandable with the confusing arguments that were going on. When he DID get involved, you say it's bad timing. Would it have been LESS scummy for him to not respond at all and let himself get replaced? Once you voted for him, what WOULDN'T have been scummy in your eyes?three hoursafter Lowell voted him - if that isn't suspicious timing, what is it?
No it is not.Litral wrote:Oh, and claiming to be lost is also a scumtell.
We should still not resort to lurker lynching on Day 1.Litral wrote:
I see two arguments here against my vote for Numberfourteen, and my later comment that it should stay.StrangerCoug wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me. As GnKoichi said, you and Lowell opted to vote a lurker in favor of asking the mod to prod him and analyzing the people actually posting content at the time. I rarely like lurker lynches as the mod will replace the lurker if it gets out of hand. Again, Numberfourteen could have had issues that prevented him from posting, and your failure to account for any that might exist is what drove me to vote you.Litral wrote:I'm saying that hispostwas scummy, but I have no idea whether theopinioncontained inside the post is scummy. The opinion and the post itself are two different things. Why? Because hispost, besides hisopinion, also contains other information: an important one is thesituationunder which it was made. The situation is that two people voted him for lurking and he immediately comes out with an opinion that should have been expressed earlier if he was pro-town. This is the sort of thing scum more often do than town, which is why I kept the vote on him.
1) Lurker lynches are bad.
-- That is entirely debatable. Lurking itself is a scumtell. Even if replaced, the suspicion stays. I'm pretty sure a lot of people agree that voting lurkers make sense if no strong suspicions exist.
OK, have you checked to see if he's posted elsewhere on this site? Is there a pattern as to what times he posts? To give some examples:Litral wrote:2) I did not take into consideration any issues that prevented Numberfourteen from posting.
-- What are the chances that Numberfourteen had issues that prevented him from posting, which were resolved exactly three hours after Lowell had posted - which, I might say, have once again appeared, since he's not posting any more? Extremely small.- Enough players on this site have less time over the weekend than during the week for some moderators (e.g. somestrangeflea) to count the weekend as one day in terms of when they issue prods.
- For a few months, I had less time on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I don't drive and I had to take buses to a college campus on the opposite side of town from where I live.
Yes, but read Yosarian2's #184 regarding voting lurkers.Litral wrote:Okay, to anyone who's voting me, I'd like to ask you two questions.
1) Is a lurker who posts only under pressure suspicious?
I don't see much evidence for this. See above, though.Litral wrote:2) Is Numberfourteen a lurker who posts only under pressure?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
Current avatar by PurryFurry of FurAffinity.
What Were You Thinking XV! is in progress.-
-
Numberfourteen Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 171
- Joined: July 28, 2008
- Location: Dallas
Ok, so here is my question, when a jester gets lynched, I know that he wins, but does that mean that everyone else loses? Does the game end if the jester is lynched? If the game does not end, then there is no reason to even consider that someone is a jester. Someone seeming "too scummy" is not a good reason to not lynch them. Even if they end up being a jester, it is not a real loss for the town. A jester is never going to post info that is helpful to the town, so it just removes a distraction from the game. Obviously if lynching a jester does end the game, then this whole paragraph is wrong.
Unvote, and Vote:Litral
There is nothing in this post about me responding 3 hours after you and lowell voted me, you actually specifically say that the reason you are leaving the vote on me is because "it is not a weak opinion at all" and "it is the sort of thing we like to hear"Litral wrote:Numberfourteen, that opinion of roflcopter is not a weak opinion at all. It is the sort of thing we would like to hear.
Unfortunately for you, because of that, I'm going to keep my vote.
Here you say that the reason you kept the vote on me is because the post was only 3 hours after you two voted for me... The reason you voted me was to pressure me to post, and I posted. Seems right to me. I do keep up with this game, I usually check it at least daily. Unfortunately, playing in multiple games, each game doesn't always get equal attention. It was an important part of the other game, and this game was a big discussion that I was completely lost in. So when you voted me, I took the time to reread several pages to try and understand betterLitral wrote: Either that, or you do not understand my argument at all, so I'll repeat it in clearer terms. I'm saying that hispostwas scummy, but I have no idea whether theopinioncontained inside the post is scummy. The opinion and the post itself are two different things. Why? Because hispost, besides hisopinion, also contains other information: an important one is thesituationunder which it was made. The situation is that two people voted him for lurking and he immediately comes out with an opinion that should have been expressed earlier if he was pro-town. This is the sort of thing scum more often do than town, which is why I kept the vote on him.
I guess you never said my post was pro town, but that is the feeling I got from your first post. "It is not a weak opinion" and "It is the thing we like to hear" sounds like you thought the post was pro town to me.Litral wrote:Again, and again, I never said his opinion is pro-town. I said his opinion is worth noting.-
-
Penguins of the Serengeti Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 439
- Joined: January 8, 2007
- Location: Tanzantarctica
Oh god this is such a townie post. Let it stand for eternity as a example to the rest of us amateurs.roflcopter wrote:
don't let the desperate late distancing fool youStrangerCoug wrote:The vote at #199 is the only thing keeping me from seeing a strong Litral/Vino connection, and I actually like the reasoning for the vote.[size=75][color=Brown][i][url=http://web-o-rama.net]Penguins in the Serengeti and in the Ngorongoro Crater have been studied continuously since the 60's hoping the birds will lead us to their secretive prey, the sand cod.[/url][/i][/color][/size]-
-
Lowell Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6318
- Joined: July 25, 2006
199 sounds a lot like giving up. Pending a vote-count I'll likely add my vote. Also, the jester talk is retarded.
In other news, I'm part of avery large mason group. I apologize, mason-buddies, if this is supposed to be a secret. But seeing as how I think there's little to no chance that you're all actually pro-town, I don't see the reason not to reveal this. Also claiming mason is like my favorite thing to do.-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
and numberfourteen joins the ranks of the obviously townsoi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
oh hey lowell claimed mason. i believe him.
lowell, how large? and i'm guessing based on the wording of your post that your role pm does not gaurantee the alignment of your partners?soi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
Knight of Cydonia Mafia Scum
-
-
StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
- Does not Compute
- Does not Compute
- Posts: 12457
- Joined: May 6, 2008
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
I believe the mason claim at #215 for now, and I also don't believe that everybody in the mason group Lowell speaks of is likely to be town given its claimed size.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
Current avatar by PurryFurry of FurAffinity.
What Were You Thinking XV! is in progress.-
-
Vino Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 685
- Joined: July 31, 2007
- Location: Cary, NC
This game is moving a lot faster than I am used to.
What? When/how did I do that? What's it have to do with that quote?StrangerCoug wrote:Vino wrote:I'm also not liking #201.FoS: Vinofor coming off here as not wanting Litral to talk about his refusal to unvote Numberfourteen.
Reason I don't like 201 is the willingness to unilaterally pardon two other players so early in the game. Serengeti and Yosarian don't read as scum to me either, but I'm not going to write them off as town so soon, I've made that mistake before. It makes you look paired with at least one of them.
Also talking so nonchalantly about lynching bothers me. I figure that much would be obvious to everybody here, so I'm surprised I am bothering having to explain it.
I also believe Lowell's mason claim, but if I understand correctly that doesn't mean he's not scum right? Some mason can be traitorous, and his masonites wouldn't know?
Knight, off topic: Isn't that a Muse song? Does the name have any significance?Show[url=http://www.calamityfuse.com/]Calamity Fuse, a multiplayer FPS/RPG[/url]
[url=http://www.blacksheepblues.com/]Black Sheep Blues, a community-reactive online graphic novel[/url]
Total prods: 1
Replaced out: 0-
-
roflcopter Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6154
- Joined: April 17, 2008
i thought it might be as much. scum really just can't stand when town recognize other town, it makes getting mislynches so much more of a problem later.vino wrote:Reason I don't like 201 is the willingness to unilaterally pardon two other players so early in the game. Serengeti and Yosarian don't read as scum to me either, but I'm not going to write them off as town so soon
yep, stick a fork in this one, he's donesoi soi soi
wins: open 69 (townie), mini 592 (sk), mini 617 (mafia rb), open 102 (mafia lover), crackers! (doctor), mini 712 (doctor), mini 715 (townie), mini 770 (inventor), lynch all lurkers (townie), mafia 100 (mason), space mafia (neighborizer)-
-
Lowell Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6318
- Joined: July 25, 2006
No, it doesn't. And, given the size of the group, having them all confirmed town would be way too much of an advantage.roflcopter wrote:oh hey lowell claimed mason. i believe him.
lowell, how large? and i'm guessing based on the wording of your post that your role pm does not gaurantee the alignment of your partners?
That said, allow me to take a moment to rant on mixed mason groups.
THEY'RE POINTLESS
[/rant]-
-
Knight of Cydonia Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3482
- Joined: June 23, 2008
- Happy Scumday!
-
-
Lowell Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6318
- Joined: July 25, 2006
Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.