Seems like a last-ditch attempt to save your back. Things getting kind of desperate here it seems.Burb wrote: I've learned a bit on what not to do, therefore this game is not a waste.
I would have passed it off as being simply stupid (I do stupid things all the time), but the speed at which you retracted and became defensive and now desperate somehow makes me suspicious of you.Burb wrote: All you have to ask yourself now is whether that it was a scummy act or simply a stupid one.
LA, what do you think the game of mafia is all about if not finding hidden meanings behind what people say?LACivilian wrote:Honestly, I think the conversation which occurred focusing on Blitz led by Has was sort of pointless. If Blitz wanted to ask questions it fits in perfectly with the tone of a newbie type game.It smacks me as blatant overthinking to find a hidden meaning behind his simultaneously random voting and posing questions.Maybe Has just needed someone to focus on and blitz said enough to find something to latch onto.
Im not finding him suspiciousRopis wrote: I disagree with his method of accusation. Accusing somebody of acting “desperate” and “defensive” is hard to argue against
I didn't quite like the way he is just giving up.Burb wrote: But well, it's nice to know that I'll be able to join more games than one if I die.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe FoSing is not a big deal? IMO, a FoS only indicates suspicion. Others can help strengthen the suspicion or point out why it shouldn't be so.Ropis wrote: Coupled with post 52 where he FOS’d Blitz while Blitz was taking heat but left his random vote in place it could be a pattern.
I wouldnt be so stupid to just "hammer" the last nail on Burb's "coffin" if that be the case. But at the same time, if I believe Burb to be scummy, I wouldn't mind being the one to cause a lynch / put him at L-1.Ropis wrote: It seems more like he’s trying to feed the wagon without jumping on it, or possibly see if he can get one more vote on Burb so he can hammer
It's true, FoS only indicates suspicion, but like anything else in this game we have to interpret the motivation for using it. It is a fairly common move for scum to cast around a lot of FoS's early so they can jump on a wagon forming later and be able to point back at the FoS as indication that they aren't wagon hopping, rather that they have in fact suspected the player the whole time.ameyarahane wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe FoSing is not a big deal? IMO, a FoS only indicates suspicion.
So you find Burb suspicious...ameyarahane wrote:the speed at which you retracted and became defensive and now desperate somehow makes me suspicious of you.
...but not scummy? Could you reconcile these posts for me please?ameyarahane wrote:if I believe Burb to be scummy, I wouldn't mind being the one to cause a lynch / put him at L-1.
ok, so you're suspicious of him and you say this:amey wrote:Im not finding him suspicious because he is defensive / desperate, but because of the manner in which he changed his tone, as if he's a sure lynch.
But you're not voting for him. How do these two statements make sense together?amey wrote:But at the same time, if I believe Burb to be scummy, I wouldn't mind being the one to cause a lynch / put him at L-1.
I am waiting for some more posts to be able to decide if I should vote him. I am waiting for others in the game to post and know what they feel too. LACivilian and bronco have voted Burb but havent been around much lately to help things here. Sotty has also not posted much.hasdgfas and Ropis (not word to word) wrote: You find Burb suspicious but not scummy...
Looking from your perspective, I appear to be Burb's partner in crime!hasgsfas wrote: How do these two statements make sense together?
The game isn't over. Heck the day is only really just getting started, there is no reason to just give up because people are climbing all over you. It's the nature of the game. Don't just stop playing suddenly because you happen to be close to a lynch, you are by no means the certain lynch for the day. At this point I am unsure what to make of your brazen giving up, you are right it does tend to happen more to townies than scum. That doesn't mean you are definitely town though. If you are telling the truth and just simply made a mistake then just get back on the horse and get back to scum hunting.Burb post 74 wrote:Reasons why I am not particularly upset
1) I understand, if not necessarily agree with the attacks on me.
2) I've learned a bit on what not to do, therefore this game is not a waste.
3)I'll be able to join other games, having completed my first noobie one. It's not as if I'm trying to get lynched on purpose; if I wanted that, I'd lurk a whole lot more. I'd rather live through this game and participate. But well, it's nice to know that I'll be able to join more games than one if I die.
Burb seems to be anything but desperate. If fact he seems eerily at peace with his wagon.ameyarahane post 76 wrote:Seems like a last-ditch attempt to save your back. Things getting kind of desperate here it seems.
Why does it matter what others think? If you find him scummy and have no problems putting him at lynch -1 then what is anyone else gonna say that would change your mind?ameyarahane wrote:I am waiting for some more posts to be able to decide if I should vote him. I am waiting for others in the game to post and know what they feel too. LACivilian and bronco have voted Burb but havent been around much lately to help things here. Sotty has also not posted much.
Why are you speculating about night already? From what I see we don't appear to be close to a lynch at all. I'm guessing the quip about Burb flipping pro town was a joke, but still not good. Also why do you think if Burb does flip town (IF he is lynched) that would make you look better in the eyes of the town?ameyarahane wrote:It is quite obvious Night-1 I won't be targeted because to half the town I already appear scummy, and most possibly I will be lynched Day-2, but I don't want to speculate. I just hope, that if Burb is lynched, he turns out to be pro-town!
I already mentioned why I felt so in the sentence prior to that. And anyway its either Burb or me on Day-1,Sotty7 wrote: Also why do you think if Burb does flip town (IF he is lynched) that would make you look better in the eyes of the town?
I'm not sure I want to do that cuz I can't make up my mind yet.Sotty7 wrote: Why does it matter what others think? If you find him scummy and have no problems putting him at lynch -1 then what is anyone else gonna say that would change your mind?
Not very well. Because people find both you and Burb suspicious they are thinking you are the scum team? Don't get me wrong, I wish mafia was that easy, but it very often isn't. Can you explain how you jumped to this conclusion?ameyarahane post 85 wrote:I already mentioned why I felt so in the sentence prior to that. And anyway its either Burb or me on Day-1
Already explaining away why he’ll survive the night and the absolutely bizarre sentiment that seems to lurk in here about hoping for Burb to go down and be revealed as town bothers me to no end. It’s just telegraphing a setup of Ameyarahane riding in afterwards on his white horse and directing traffic for the rest of the game. Something a townie would generally want to avoid, but puts scum right in the driver seat.It is quite obvious Night-1 I won't be targeted because to half the town I already appear scummy, and most possibly I will be lynched Day-2, but I don't want to speculate. I just hope, that if Burb is lynched, he turns out to be pro-town!
Danny, first of all welcome!Danny wrote: Already explaining away why he’ll survive the night and the absolutely bizarre sentiment that seems to lurk in here about hoping for Burb to go down and be revealed as town bothers me to no end. It’s just telegraphing a setup of Ameyarahane riding in afterwards on his white horse and directing traffic for the rest of the game. Something a townie would generally want to avoid, but puts scum right in the driver seat.
I understand you were likely dealing in a hypothetical and not literally wanting to see Burb lynched. But the underlying sentiment in this post is the same as the last; instead of looking for scum you seem more interested in looking for personal vindication. At this time my vote stands.ameyarahane wrote:Danny, first of all welcome!Danny wrote: Already explaining away why he'll survive the night and the absolutely bizarre sentiment that seems to lurk in here about hoping for Burb to go down and be revealed as town bothers me to no end. It's just telegraphing a setup of Ameyarahane riding in afterwards on his white horse and directing traffic for the rest of the game. Something a townie would generally want to avoid, but puts scum right in the driver seat.
Well, I'm nothopingfor Burn to go down in fact I don't want him to go down right now, just that IMHO he was not defending himself properly and I thought he might get lynched. Some of my previous posts wereassumingthat Burb happens to go down, what I thought would be the case. The reason is that my earlier posts seem to align me and Burb too much and henceifhe was lynched, and turned out to be a townie, I would seem less scummy.
Darn! Every post I make makes me appear more scummy!
amey, explaining what happened before and how scummy you've looked does absolutely nothing if you want to convince people why you shouldn't be lynched. Defend yourself from the accusations people have made instead.ameyarahane wrote:Danny, first of all welcome!Danny wrote: Already explaining away why he’ll survive the night and the absolutely bizarre sentiment that seems to lurk in here about hoping for Burb to go down and be revealed as town bothers me to no end. It’s just telegraphing a setup of Ameyarahane riding in afterwards on his white horse and directing traffic for the rest of the game. Something a townie would generally want to avoid, but puts scum right in the driver seat.
Well, I'm nothopingfor Burn to go down in fact I don't want him to go down right now, just that IMHO he was not defending himself properly and I thought he might get lynched. Some of my previous posts wereassumingthat Burb happens to go down, what I thought would be the case. The reason is that my earlier posts seem to align me and Burb too much and henceifhe was lynched, and turned out to be a townie, I would seem less scummy.
Darn! Every post I make makes me appear more scummy!
okaly dokes. I'll make an effort to maintain my previous level of activity and keep on hunting up till the endsotty wrote:The game isn't over. Heck the day is only really just getting started, there is no reason to just give up because people are climbing all over you. It's the nature of the game. Don't just stop playing suddenly because you happen to be close to a lynch, you are by no means the certain lynch for the day. At this point I am unsure what to make of your brazen giving up, you are right it does tend to happen more to townies than scum. That doesn't mean you are definitely town though. If you are telling the truth and just simply made a mistake then just get back on the horse and get back to scum hunting.
Giving up would be more like me voting for myself in a fit of spite. I did not mean to give the impression at any point that I didn't care about the game entirely, or that I WANTED to die. rather I was at peace with what seemed to be an inevitable lynching. I am/was being totally honest here (I'd rather win than stay alive to the end) in that they had valid arguments for my suspicious behavior. Yes, I was just being a dumb noob, but it's not as if I can provide concrete evidence of my motivations. At this point I refrained from cries of outrage or whatever, since that's as far as I could logically argue. Either people would lynch me or they wouldn't based on their own judgment.Spinach is gross wrote:Burb, it seems like you're giving up. Is this true? This seems very scummy to me, like scum breaking under pressure?
? The only time you've referenced me in your posts is to say I'm suspicious. No one's said that because we're both suspicious, then we share the same alignment. Like Sotty said, if only mafia were that simple. Seems almost like a fabricated excuse...amey wrote: The reason is that my earlier posts seem to align me and Burb too much and hence if he was lynched, and turned out to be a townie, I would seem less scummy.
Uhh, regardless of whether my alignment it makes YOU look suspicious, why would a townie ever want a mislynch? Even if you die, you still win with the town, and trading 1 for 1 with the mafia is a great bargain.amey wrote: I just hope, that if Burb is lynched, he turns out to be pro-town!
I've not tried to explain in order to convice people that I shouldn't be lynched. I wanted to clarify what my perspective was, it wasn't a defence, just a clarification.hasdsgfs wrote: explaining what happened before and how scummy you've looked does absolutely nothing if you want to convince people why you shouldn't be lynched
I don't want a mislynch, not by far. That is the reason I didn't want to put you at L-1. Just like you felt your lynch is inevitable, so did I. That is the reason why I assumed it would turn out to be so. I was selfish and a big noob. Something I have learnt by now.Burb wrote: Uhh, regardless of whether my alignment it makes YOU look suspicious, why would a townie ever want a mislynch? Even if you die, you still win with the town, and trading 1 for 1 with the mafia is a great bargain.
amey wrote:In my defense, if I were a mafioso, I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself.