Open 108 - Weak M.D. - Game over before 725

[Xtoxm]

help! i'm being blinded by the obviousness of the ryan-esomonty scumpair!

Eh they both look town to me

[Incognito]

Vote Count #14 of Day 1

Korts (1) <-~ popsofctown
Gamma (5) <-~ ryan2754, Xtoxm, Korts, GIEFF, EsoMonty
ryan2754 (3) <-~ roflcopter, Netlava, Empking
popsofctown (1) <-~ Gamma
BSG (1) <-~ camn

Not Voting (1) <-~ BSG

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

BSG has not picked up her prod, thus she will be replaced. If she responds before I find a replacement, she may remain in the game.

[Korts]

BSG is a she?

[ryan2754]

Thank you for that explanation, ryan....
But what does this mean?

... but nice try.

I don't know why you tagged that on.
And while we are at it, can you (that is,

Ryan

) explain why we wouldn't want to duplicate Hider claims, but we don't care about Doc claims?

Also. I guess I am up, right?
If I am the Doc OR the Hider, I target GIEFF.

Speaking of Gieff..

For camn, replacing BlakAdder: Repeated requests for posts and analysis based on the hardcore lurking.

Is this a serious question?
If so.. could you re-phrase it as a question?

And, for pressure...

VOTE : BSG

This is just lurker-pressure. Plus, I don't like seeing my name next to hers in the "no-vote" category....

Nice try because I don't really see the need to play your game that you are trying to play with me. You already know the situation better than I, considering your previous experience, so prodding such information from someone like me doesn't seem to be pointless and a waste of my time, to be honest.

Why do you keep asking me? Read post 44. I really have no desire to go back and reread that portion of the thread to appease you. Pops already said its well documented, so you should know anyway. The reason we want to hypo hide EVERYONE is that so no matter what, if someone dies due to hiding someone (since they died, they hid behind mafia), so that everyone is accounted for as we find a mafia member no matter what the round that that person hid behind a mafia and died. With regards to the doc, at least to my knowledge it's not necessary to hypo-doc protect everyone (I guess I still don't see the point in not doing everyone) because he can protect anyone. Sure, a Weak MD died when he protects mafia, which gives us a mafia, but the only issue I could find with that is that we then lose his protective role and lets the doc do as he chooses for his role (POst 47).

[GIEFF]

Re: replacements

For camn, replacing BlakAdder: Repeated requests for posts and analysis based on the hardcore lurking.

Is this a serious question?
If so.. could you re-phrase it as a question? Smile

Thanks for doing that so quickly, but you didn't respond to gieff's question in post 321. could you do so at this time?

You mean 319?

There is no question. He just links to a post by Pop, whose post also contains no questions.

Here was my original post, in post 301:

Also, thanks for the replacements. I believe there were outstanding questions and accusations for all three of those who just replaced, which makes it difficult to carry the line of questioning forward. Could the new replacements respond to these questions/accusations as best they can, in addition to posting their thoughts on the players, as Empking did?

There are no questions, but there are unanswered accusations. It is difficult to defend someone whose thoughts and reasoning you can't be sure about, but I don't want these accusations to be forgotten simply because the accused went inactive before answering them.

Also Xtoxm, could you post a list similar to the ones the other two replacements made?

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Re: Deadline / Lynch

We are 6 days to the deadline. I think a lynch is in order, although based on the nature of our power roles, I don't think a no-lynch would be as horrible for the town as it would be in other games.

If others agree with me that a lynch should occur today, we need to pick up the pace on the hypoclaiming (BSG and Gamma are all that's left, and I think Gamma should go first as BSG appears to be MIA), and try to come to a consensus on the lynch-target.

It seems likely that it will come down to either Gamma or ryan, so if everybody could list reasons for/against each lynch (or why they would prefer another lynch or a no-lynch), I think that would be very helpful.

Here are my reasons:

Gamma lynch:

• Lurked early
  
• Refuses to answer questions of him
  
• Provides little reasoning for his votes
  
• The reasoning he DID give for finding ryan scummy was inconsistently applied. Gamma said ryan was scummy for agreeing with other posters too often, yet when asked to answer if ryan had done anything scummy recently, Gamma did not mention the fact that ryan made agreeing posts yet again, even though it had been explicitly mentioned.
  
• Claimed blue (shortly after saying he would NOT claim), which means that lynching another target today risks outing a PR, or further narrowing down the PR's for the scum

ryan lynch:

• A lot of agreement in his posts; little new content
  
• Went inactive immediately after the wagon built on him
  
• The wagon grew very quickly on him, which makes him less likely to be scum

I think both are likely to be mafia, but I feel that Gamma is the better lynch.

[Xtoxm]

Also Xtoxm, could you post a list similar to the ones the other two replacements made?

After my exams.

[Xtoxm]

There are no questions, but there are unanswered accusations. It is difficult to defend someone whose thoughts and reasoning you can't be sure about, but I don't want these accusations to be forgotten simply because the accused went inactive before answering them.

What exactly are you expecting me to do? I have the same role nothing more.

[GIEFF]

Don't do anything if you don't want. I just wanted to bring up the fact that all three replacees had been attacked before being replaced so that this information isn't forgotten. If you feel the need to say something, go ahead, but if not, I understand that it is difficult to answer for another person.

[popsofctown]

Wow, GIEFF made a chart for us. After this game i'm gonna nominate him for "Internet Superstar"

Gamma
- Said he was worried hypoclaim discussion would swallow the day, then does nothing with his actions - like building cases or accelerating hypo discussion- to actually show he is concerned.
-Says that he thinks his case will be construed as OMGUS even as he says it
-Won't answer questions, instead asks questions to the questions
-Claimed town early, as part of an emotional appealish defense
-We really ought to kill him just to decrease the scum's ability to knock out our power roles, he's the only player to already have claimed.

[popsofctown]

-I think Gamma lynch tells us a lot more about roflcopter than ryan lynch does. His feeling that ryan is scummy is definitely understandable, but his defense of gamma, at least to me, takes me aback. Gamma lynch would tell me more about whether he knows something i don't or wants to defend a scum partner because he thinks the wagon is easy to mischaracterize (remember "He seems to be the vi that attracted a wagon")

[camn]

Nice try because I don't really see the need to play your game that you are trying to play with me. You already know the situation better than I, considering your previous experience, so prodding such information from someone like me doesn't seem to be pointless and a waste of my time, to be honest.

Thank you for answering.
For your understanding.. I am not playing a 'game', except for the game of mafia .
The purpose for singling you out is easy. Post 285.
You came off like it was everyone ELSE's job to make this game interesting to YOU.
I find that unacceptable.
So I thought I would test your understanding of the game.

I have found that SCUM tend to zone out when potentially game-breaking strategies come up... hoping they will just blow over. Plus, discussion of mechanics rarely leads to a mislynch.. so why bother, right? Which is exactly what you were doing.

Why do you keep asking me? Read post 44. I really have no desire to go back and reread that portion of the thread to appease you. Pops already said its well documented, so you should know anyway.

Now.. your answer here was decent.. but the truth is, if

I

should know.. then so should you, right? You didn't. You still show no understanding of the reasons, despite this 'documentation'.

Is this scummy? Maybe. Or maybe it truly isn't that well documented, and pops is a liar. But one thing is clear.. you weren't really paying attention.

Hmm. I gotta think about you for a little bit.

c

[roflcopter]

camn is very obviously town lets get more hypodocs on her

[popsofctown]

Do you want some quote legwork for posts that should have let ryan know what's going on?

[Gamma]

Well, shit.

I'd rather have a ryan lynch over me.

unvote, vote ryan2754

[Empking]

camn is very obviously town lets get more hypodocs on her

Would you mind giving reasons?

[EsoMonty]

camn is very obviously town lets get more hypodocs on her

Would you mind giving reasons?

Because she suspects ryan and not gamma.

[camn]

Do you want some quote legwork for posts that should have let ryan know what's going on?

Not totally relevant...

But the question does beg to be asked.....
If it is so 'well-documented' then why can't Ryan explain it?
Your thoughts?


PS.. I just haven't gotten to Gamma yet, EsoMonty. Or you. I suspect everyone.

[Empking]

camn is very obviously town lets get more hypodocs on her

Would you mind giving reasons?

Because she suspects ryan and not gamma.

Would you mind letting him give reasons.

[EsoMonty]

Sarcasm is under appreciated...

[Xtoxm]

Qft..

[Korts]

Empking. Why do you question a town read? Do you want to make it easier for scum, somehow? Or are you scum and shitting yourself by having two townies confirm themselves in each other's eyes?

[Netlava]

I'm kinda busy (and sick) atm, but I will post later.

[camn]

SUDDENLY, BORING EVERYWHERE

I will make my case on who I think is scum myself

But I'm leaning towards a pops lynch than ryan for now

unvote, vote ryan2754

Gamma.
I would like to see your case on Pops.
(and no, post 220 was not it)

If you are scum, it is the only thing that will save you.
If you are town, you actually might be helping us with your insight.

Hurry, please. The deadline is coming.

[Incognito]

RedCoyote is in for BSG. Thanks, RedCoyote!

Deadline will remain the same.

[Incognito]

Bumping vote count.