Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia II {Game Over!}

[Lowell]

I took my choice when I saw the PM. I assumed the thread hadn't been reopened. If folks are going to whine about this I can see if the mod can let me change, but I still think cop roles are more useful. We can always send folks to prison two at a time with the intent of killing each other (like you did yesterday).

@zach- my role isn't unverifiable. I'll investigate someone and get a result. Calling me scum for it doesn't make sense.

Incidentally, I'm leaning towards ross being scum. I think scum imprisoned all investigative roles, overruled emp's "yes" vote and are hoping the vig would be used on ross.

[Narsis]

wait they wanted the vig to be used on scum?

[zachattack]

@zach- my role isn't unverifiable. I'll investigate someone and get a result. Calling me scum for it doesn't make sense.

Will the mod say in the thread "Lowell investigated so and so, he was this" If so then yes your ability is verifiable. If not, then you can just say whatever you want to say, and there is no proof you even took the cop. You could have easily taken doc to protect yourself or a scumbuddy tonight, and then lied and said "oops i thought you wanted me to be cop, i cant read orange".

And your statement on Ross makes no sense and seems like your reaching.

[ortolan]

Strongly agree with 727.

[Percy]

Idea: Ross investigates Narsis, Lowell investigates Ross.

If Ross and Lowell are both scum, then they will probably have chosen non-investigate powers. The "result" will most likely be Innocent, Innocent. If we manage to kill one of them, we'll have the other one cornered. If they don't report Innocent, Innocent then we kill (asap) the one who was reported Guilty, and kill the investigator if they're not actually scum.

If we get Innocent, Innocent we can send Lowell off to prison to get killed. This would confirm investigate chain and dispose of a player who is either scum or who can't follow instructions. If the latter, then we have two (semi)confirmed townies.

Investigate: Narsis

Investigate: RossWilliam

Plan: 1 Scumpair + 2 Townpair

[Kublai Khan]

Idea: Ross investigates Narsis, Lowell investigates Ross.

I like this. It's probably the best plan under the circumstances.

Investigate: Narsis

Investigate: RossWilliam

[Lowell]

Okay you guys seriously think I'm scum because I read the thread wrong and took the wrong role?

[Lowell]

I'm happy with investigating ross. I'd prefer to investigate someone else, however, and just send ross back to prison to kill him that way.

[Narsis]

Idea: Ross investigates Narsis, Lowell investigates Ross.

If Ross and Lowell are both scum, then they will probably have chosen non-investigate powers. The "result" will most likely be Innocent, Innocent. If we manage to kill one of them, we'll have the other one cornered. If they don't report Innocent, Innocent then we kill (asap) the one who was reported Guilty, and kill the investigator if they're not actually scum.

If we get Innocent, Innocent we can send Lowell off to prison to get killed. This would confirm investigate chain and dispose of a player who is either scum or who can't follow instructions. If the latter, then we have two (semi)confirmed townies.

Investigate: Narsis

Investigate: RossWilliam

Plan: 1 Scumpair + 2 Townpair

not a bad plan.

Investigate: Narsis

Investigate: RossWilliam

[zachattack]

Lowell isn't scum just because he took the wrong choice. Lowell is scum because he claimed miller unprovoked in a game where daycops could run wild, and out of the four townie players we sent to prison last night he's the only one who didn't get sent today. Then he comes in here, says that the scum probably were afraid of the daycops but it's ok, cause he took the daycop instead of what he was supposed to take, which basically eliminates our lynch mechanism, and makes it so that if we want to kill a mafia, we have to sacrifice a likely town to do it.

Investigate: Narsis
Investigate: RossWilliam

Who are we sending Lowell in with? I think Sly is the best choice, as a miller he's the least useful to the town if Lowell takes him down with him.

[Moratorium]

Incidentally, I'm leaning towards ross being scum. I think scum imprisoned all investigative roles, overruled emp's "yes" vote and are hoping the vig would be used on ross.

wait they wanted the vig to be used on scum?

I, too, am confused by your logic, Lowell. Please elaborate.

Investigate: RossWilliam

Investigate: Narsis

I'm endorsing the Percy plan.

I also would like to see an investigation on me at some point to help confirm in the absence of night action feedback for my role. Not sure how everyone feels about the worth of that, so might be worth discussing.

[zachattack]

I think that's dumb. Why would either of you get confirmation unless Percy attempted an action and it failed? I think your townie, you didn't pull that claim out of your ass, and investigations aren't for clearing townies, they're for finding mafia.

[Lowell]

Alright I've asked mod to change to vig if I can. People are making me sad calling me scum.

[Narsis]

i don't think you can change...

[Lowell]

@moratorium- I meant to say ross might NOT be scum, and scum are setting him up to be used for the vig.

[RossWilliam]

@moratorium- I meant to say ross might NOT be scum, and scum are setting him up to be used for the vig.

So if this is true, and you don't think I'm scum, why do you suggest doing this?

I'm happy with investigating ross. I'd prefer to investigate someone else, however, and just send ross back to prison to kill him that way.

[Lowell]

Mod said I could switch. I'm now a vig. Let's do this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. well don't shoot anyone until Ross uses his investigate.

[solorpg]

We now need a new plan.
Suggestion: Investigate Narsis. Guilty, shoot Narsis. Innocent, use the vig as a lynch.
If we get a guilty, then I think we need to do Percy's plan. I'm not immediately sure what to do if we get an innocent.

[doctor no]

We now need a new plan.
Suggestion: Investigate Narsis. Guilty, shoot Narsis. Innocent, use the vig as a lynch.
If we get a guilty, then I think we need to do Percy's plan. I'm not immediately sure what to do if we get an innocent.

Methinks its a good plan. If we get an innocent, we probably should look for bandwagons if any.

[ortolan]

Mod: can people change their chosen powers from the dilemma after day has started? If so is there any limit on this?

Was worth a shot in case we get a free scum. I wonder about how he was allowed to change his choice, because clearly at some points in the day it would be kind of broken to allow people to change- e.g. you get one (very townie person ) to investigate someone. If the person flips innocent then you change the other guy's dayvig which would otherwise be used on the investigatee to another investigation.

[ortolan]

Methinks its a good plan. If we get an innocent, we probably should look for bandwagons if any.

Interesting that you felt the need to state this prior to the results of the investigation being announced.

[doctor no]

Methinks its a good plan. If we get an innocent, we probably should look for bandwagons if any.

Interesting that you felt the need to state this prior to the results of the investigation being announced.

Its only natural to follow that train of thought. Its not that significant in my opinion.

[Kublai Khan]

Mod said I could switch. I'm now a vig. Let's do this.

What??

Having two cops works better because Percy's plan allows us to either clear two people or expose a scum. Having a single cop & vig combo means that whatever result that RossWilliams gets is subject to WIFOM.

So why would you switch? Your only claimed problem with the plan is that you would be the only killed if both Narsis and RossWilliams were innocent. So it sounds like you're more worried about surviving then helping town?

I'm strongly suspecting that you were never a daycop to begin with.

[Lowell]

Mod said I could switch. I'm now a vig. Let's do this.

What??

Having two cops works better because Percy's plan allows us to either clear two people or expose a scum. Having a single cop & vig combo means that whatever result that RossWilliams gets is subject to WIFOM.

So why would you switch? Your only claimed problem with the plan is that you would be the only killed if both Narsis and RossWilliams were innocent. So it sounds like you're more worried about surviving then helping town?

I'm strongly suspecting that you were never a daycop to begin with.

God I hate everyone. No, the problem was that people were taking my having the wrong role as a sign that I'm scum. I agree with you that cop is more valuable (esp early in the game) but I'm trying to bow to the will of the majority.

From my interactions with the mod (and the fact that there didn't seem to be a time limit for choosing the role) it sounds like the whole thing is relatively fluid. As in, until I send in specific requests to kill or investigate someone, I can choose whatever I want.

mod

can you confirm this?