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I can't say that I'm comfortable with 4 votes on one person on page 2. Anyone want to back off of him for now?
@ xofelf- I don't think we're out of the random voting stage just yet, at least I haven't seen enough to build a real case on anyone yet. Have you?ShowHouse of Mirrors- Dead
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xofelf wrote:
Care to actually give a reason on that one? Because just randomly voting doesn't help us.Hoopla wrote:Unvote, vote: TheininShadow Knight answered for me, and you should answer his question - but I have one for him;
Why are you uncomfortable with what are essentially random votes, even if there are four of them? I think we're sensible enough not to mislynch randomly.-
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Vote Count Numero Dos: (As of Post 53)
ZEEnon- (4) - Cephir, Erratus Apathos, geraintm, Panzerjager
Theinin- (2) - Shadow Knight, Hoopla
Panzerjager - (1) - xofelf
J Assassin- (1) - Theinin
Erratus Apathos - (1) - ZEEnon
Hoopla- (1) -nicoliosgotpolio
nicoliosgotpolio- (1) - Khelvaster
Not Voting: J Assassin
With 12 alive, 7 will lynch.
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Shadow Knight Goon
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It makes me uncomfortable because we're still random voting. I realize that we're going to end up bandwagonning someone, but there is usually some reason for it. I'm not happy about a flimsy bandwagon, but I'm downright leery of a bandwagon that consists entirely of random votes. At least a flimsy case he can argue against and then we can make observations based on what he and his accusers say. What's the defense against random votes? (Not sure I explained my thoughts well enough, but that's my basic thinking on it.)ShowHouse of Mirrors- Dead
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xofelf they/them(also ze/zem or xe/xem)Miss Mashthey/them(also ze/zem or xe/xem)
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I haven't seen anything to do that yet, you are correct. But, i can't help but see that we're delaying actually GETTING there by all this playing around.Shadow Knight wrote:I can't say that I'm comfortable with 4 votes on one person on page 2. Anyone want to back off of him for now?
@ xofelf- I don't think we're out of the random voting stage just yet, at least I haven't seen enough to build a real case on anyone yet. Have you?Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
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xofelf wrote:
I haven't seen anything to do that yet, you are correct. But, i can't help but see that we're delaying actually GETTING there by all this playing around.Shadow Knight wrote:I can't say that I'm comfortable with 4 votes on one person on page 2. Anyone want to back off of him for now?
@ xofelf- I don't think we're out of the random voting stage just yet, at least I haven't seen enough to build a real case on anyone yet. Have you?It isn't really a process that can be fast-tracked, unless someone does something outrageously fishy, or makes a (serious) early role-claim. You can't build cases with air.-
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Shadow Knight Goon
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As far as I can tell, the "getting there" process involves waiting for or getting someone to make a slightly scummy move and then trying to crucify them for it. Whether it turns into a lynch or not is mostly up to how good a defense the accused can muster.ShowHouse of Mirrors- Dead
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eh good point. I just get frustrated when a game seems to be going longer than it needs to. *shrugs* but that's just me.Hoopla wrote:xofelf wrote:
I haven't seen anything to do that yet, you are correct. But, i can't help but see that we're delaying actually GETTING there by all this playing around.Shadow Knight wrote:I can't say that I'm comfortable with 4 votes on one person on page 2. Anyone want to back off of him for now?
@ xofelf- I don't think we're out of the random voting stage just yet, at least I haven't seen enough to build a real case on anyone yet. Have you?It isn't really a process that can be fast-tracked, unless someone does something outrageously fishy, or makes a (serious) early role-claim. You can't build cases with air.Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
MattyP: Ur an enigma tho when it comes to circadian rhythm and the traditions we hold dear when it comes to the sun and the moon
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Fess up? to what?Hoopla wrote:xofelf wrote:eh good point. I just get frustrated when a game seems to be going longer than it needs to. *shrugs* but that's just me.You should just fess up now then.Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Damn, you got me.Erratus Apathos wrote:
hi obvscumCephrir wrote:But if you're going to investigate me, I should warn you that I'm totally a miller or something! [/obvscum]
Unvote
Vote: Cephrir
Anyway, I don't see any problem with having 4 votes on ZEEnon. If we never do anything interesting the game will never go anywhere.
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Theinin Townie
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ShadowKnight & Hoopla- Exactly why did you take a post that begins with the words "Alright, hmm, what will get the town talking" seriously?
At the moment I'm not liking Panzer's erratic and outright crazy play, but I don't see it as particularly scummy. It feels like he's just making an attempt to start up conversation, and he has done so.
I already asked why you took Panzer's claim seriously, but why FOS him? Even if he was lying about the claim, it was rather clearly to stir up discussion, something a pro-town player is much more likely to do than a scummy one. And if it you found it scummy, or at least strange enough, to be worthy of an FOS, then why in the world would you not change your vote, when your vote for me was just a random placeholder?Shadow Knight wrote:1. Are you seriously claiming day cop?
2. Why would you come forward so soon?
I don't really think you are a day cop (hence, not voting for khelvaster) but don't you think there are other methods for starting conversation? Starting out with a claim like that if false is dangerous on the off chance that there really *is* a day cop out there. Not sure he/she'd be dumb enough to counter claim you, but its a risk that doesn't need to be taken.
/rant
FOS Panzer
Here is the post that Shadow was responding to.Shadow Knight wrote:Granted. And that's why I'm not voting him, but no matter how outlandish, a fake claim is not a good idea this early on.
I concur with this, but why in the world is this justification for not voting him?Cephrir wrote:
Chances are amazingly good that that's not an issue.Shadow Knight wrote:Starting out with a claim like that if false is dangerous on the off chance that there really *is* a day cop out there.
PS- LIEK OMG CEPHRIR IS OBVTOWN. TEH DAHCOP SHUD NEVAH INVESTIGATIATE HIM. EVAH.
Panzer, I'm beginning to think you're actually an insane Day cop. Because you could never get a scum report on Cephrir. He's too townie.
Considering that it's rather obvious that Panzer was joking about the claim, and the fact that the rest of this post is hardly relevant at all, this is just a perfect example of active lurking.nicoliosgotpolio wrote:I don't understand what makes cops always want to claim on day one.
Last game I was in, cop claimed day one for some reason. Mafia convinced the town to kill him day two before he could even post his "investigation". Turned out he really was cop. Oops.
Really, that was not a smart move. Mafia will be on that so fast. We need power roles. Please, no one else claim unless told to.
Why? It's not like anybody has presented a case on Zee that we're all blindly following, and there's no indication that a random lynch is going to occur. Besides, bandwagons are a great way to avoid the game from stalling, which is something that scum want from the onset.Shadow Knight wrote:I can't say that I'm comfortable with 4 votes on one person on page 2. Anyone want to back off of him for now?
If you're leery of us still random voting, then present a case against someone. Provide a good reason to hop onto the already-building bandwagon on me. It feels like you're complaining and providing nothing in return. Oh, in addition, if you are as scared about a wagon that consists of random votes as you claim, why are you still random-voting me, and not unvoting until something of substance emerges?Shadow Knight wrote:It makes me uncomfortable because we're still random voting. I realize that we're going to end up bandwagonning someone, but there is usually some reason for it. I'm not happy about a flimsy bandwagon, but I'm downright leery of a bandwagon that consists entirely of random votes.
:badposting:Erratus Apathos wrote:
hi obvscumCephrir wrote:But if you're going to investigate me, I should warn you that I'm totally a miller or something! [/obvscum]
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Heh, sorry. Total joke there, hence the caps, chatspeak, and reference to the "day-cop". It was not a good idea to put that in the middle of my serious recap post, though, I admit.Cephrir wrote:Theinin: are your comments about me in that post serious? If so, score one for atrociously executed buddying.-
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@Theinin, there was still awesome wifom in there but it was a joke.
Why should I stop?geraintm wrote:seriously panzer, what are you up to? placing a 4th vote now, i have no idea what you are trying to acomplish. stop it
Why shouldn't ZEEnon have 4 votes?
Why do I have to be up to something?
Also, If I were to stop, what should I do?
FoS:Geraintm
I would like to also poke Xofelf. What are your current thoughts of the game? What do you think of geraintm telling me to stop? Do you think I should stop? And Why?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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ZEEnon Goon
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i know you are trying to be funny, but don't take it overboard. xDPanzerjager wrote:I already investigate you and zeenon Cephrir. You guys are scum like Kheelvaster. Unfortunately I got a scum read on Xofelf and Shadowknight, so maybe I'm paranoid day cop. But then I'd be just a crazy townie.
you counted the moderator ..geraintm wrote:vote ZEEnonsaid i'd vote the 4th person who posted after me.
and i don't recall seeing you say that .
don't worry about it.geraintm wrote:seriously panzer, what are you up to? placing a 4th vote now, i have no idea what you are trying to acomplish. stop it
it's only four votes, i don't think
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unvote.
I'M done with my random.
Because its getting kinda weird.Why should I stop?
Why shouldn't ZEEnon have 4 votes?
Why do I have to be up to something?
I don't see a problem with L-3. L-1 would be pushing it.
I don't know. ARE you up to something?
To me it seems like a distraction. It's pretty clear now that you aren't a cop. So, what are you doing? I believe he's trying to push a case off of himself with this. Thoughts?
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geraintm Jack of All Trades
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Erratus Apathos wrote:
hi obvscumCephrir wrote:But if you're going to investigate me, I should warn you that I'm totally a miller or something! [/obvscum]
Unvote
Vote: Cephrir
argh, stop it. just everyone stop it. page 3, and joke votes should have stopped by now.Cephrir wrote:
Damn, you got me.Erratus Apathos wrote:
hi obvscumCephrir wrote:But if you're going to investigate me, I should warn you that I'm totally a miller or something! [/obvscum]
Unvote
Vote: Cephrir
Anyway, I don't see any problem with having 4 votes on ZEEnon. If we never do anything interesting the game will never go anywhere.
I'll go with anFoS: nicoliobecause that post was really strange.
theinin, why vote shadow, i don't get it?
panzer, post 68, i still don't get you
Zeenon - it was a random vote
no, i wasn't having a problem with his vote, just his general jokeiness, it is stopping the game getting going, he is a distraction, the others above who are just fooling around, just isn't helping.ZEEnon wrote:
don't worry about it.geraintm wrote:seriously panzer, what are you up to? placing a 4th vote now, i have no idea what you are trying to acomplish. stop it
it's only four votes, i don't think
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I wasn't sure if I should take it seriously or not, actually. After all, I could say "wow, no one is talking. I own a Ferrari F-450." Now that is probably not true, but it *could* be true and it would indeed start conversation. For a mafia tie in, I can remember reading a game in which 3 people claimed to be cops on day 1. 2 were telling the truth. 1 was scum. It got conversation started, but it also got one of the claimed cops lynched that day. (I think Mastermind of Sin started that one.)Theinin wrote:ShadowKnight & Hoopla- Exactly why did you take a post that begins with the words "Alright, hmm, what will get the town talking" seriously?
I already said I wasn't sure if I should take it seriously or not. I wanted him to talk more so I could gauge whether he was joking or not. Because I wasn't sure, I simply FOS'd him. I was the only one voting you, so why bother unvoting until I actually want to vote someone for real? Why are you that worried about a single vote which I clearly stated was random? Why would I FOS *and* vote him? Perhaps I should have just used IGMEOY?Theinin wrote:At the moment I'm not liking Panzer's erratic and outright crazy play, but I don't see it as particularly scummy. It feels like he's just making an attempt to start up conversation, and he has done so.
I already asked why you took Panzer's claim seriously, but why FOS him? Even if he was lying about the claim, it was rather clearly to stir up discussion, something a pro-town player is much more likely to do than a scummy one. And if it you found it scummy, or at least strange enough, to be worthy of an FOS, then why in the world would you not change your vote, when your vote for me was just a random placeholder?Shadow Knight wrote:1. Are you seriously claiming day cop?
2. Why would you come forward so soon?
I don't really think you are a day cop (hence, not voting for khelvaster) but don't you think there are other methods for starting conversation? Starting out with a claim like that if false is dangerous on the off chance that there really *is* a day cop out there. Not sure he/she'd be dumb enough to counter claim you, but its a risk that doesn't need to be taken.
/rant
FOS Panzer
Wait, do you want me to vote him or not vote him? I feel like you're trying to play both ends against the middle here. I didn't vote him because what he did was odd, but not necessarily scummy. I FOS'd him because what he did was odd, but not necessarily town.Theinin wrote:
Here is the post that Shadow was responding to.Shadow Knight wrote:Granted. And that's why I'm not voting him, but no matter how outlandish, a fake claim is not a good idea this early on.
I concur with this, but why in the world is this justification for not voting him?Cephrir wrote:
Chances are amazingly good that that's not an issue.Shadow Knight wrote:Starting out with a claim like that if false is dangerous on the off chance that there really *is* a day cop out there.
Why am I not comfortable with someone being more than halfway to lynch without a case being made against them? Just personal feelings I guess. If someone gets that high in the vote count, I want to be able to see reasons for voting. Maybe its because a bandwagon is the opposite of random voting. (I.E. once a pattern emerges, its no longer random.) I keep feeling like you're stating the obvious (bandwagons keep the game from stalling). I never said I'm against bandwagons, I said I'm against random bandwagons. Please don't misrepresent what I'm saying in the future.Theinin wrote:
Why? It's not like anybody has presented a case on Zee that we're all blindly following, and there's no indication that a random lynch is going to occur. Besides, bandwagons are a great way to avoid the game from stalling, which is something that scum want from the onset.Shadow Knight wrote:I can't say that I'm comfortable with 4 votes on one person on page 2. Anyone want to back off of him for now?
Again, please stop misrepresenting me. I *never* said I'm leery of random voting in general. I said I'm leery of a bandwagon based on nothing but random votes. In fact, I just got done telling Xofelf that we weren't out of the random voting stage, and that if she wanted to progress beyond it, she would have to post an actual case against someone. The amusing part is that in responding to your post, I've found the only scumtells to appear in the game thus far. For that, I'm gonna have to sayTheinin wrote:
If you're leery of us still random voting, then present a case against someone. Provide a good reason to hop onto the already-building bandwagon on me. It feels like you're complaining and providing nothing in return. Oh, in addition, if you are as scared about a wagon that consists of random votes as you claim, why are you still random-voting me, and not unvoting until something of substance emerges?Shadow Knight wrote:It makes me uncomfortable because we're still random voting. I realize that we're going to end up bandwagonning someone, but there is usually some reason for it. I'm not happy about a flimsy bandwagon, but I'm downright leery of a bandwagon that consists entirely of random votes.
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Shadow Knight wrote:
Why am I not comfortable with someone being more than halfway to lynch without a case being made against them? Just personal feelings I guess. If someone gets that high in the vote count, I want to be able to see reasons for voting. Maybe its because a bandwagon is the opposite of random voting. (I.E. once a pattern emerges, its no longer random.) I keep feeling like you're stating the obvious (bandwagons keep the game from stalling). I never said I'm against bandwagons, I said I'm against random bandwagons. Please don't misrepresent what I'm saying in the future.I don't want to deviate too far into a theory debate about 'is there such a thing as random voting', but I think early bandwagons are healthy. After the first few pages the game can often fracture into different paths with a variety of cases emerging - when this happens it's rare you'll get everyone's opinion on everything presented. Bandwagons are often something that will attract the focus of the majority of the town, which serves for greater comparison.
As I mentioned before, once the game breaks away, to compare and determine suspicion, you often have to do it based on what X thinks of Y, compared to how Z defended N. When more variables come into play, it's far easier for scum to be evasive and focus on areas that hold weaker comparison purposes. The 'random' voting really holds a lot more information than some think - and bandwagons are an excellent source.-
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I was trying to get done with random by asking these questions to Geraintm(who ignored them). How is this is a distraction? I'm pretty confident that you're scum. First of all, your first post was seemed like you were just trying to be townie and ended up making a completely irrelevant post that reeked of this very thing. Now you've made another post, answering a question asked of geraintm and then replaying withquestions that are answered in an obvious fashion, as they are already in the thread. This seems like an obvious attempt at "trying" to be town, also with obvious buddying to geraintm.nicoliosgotpolio wrote:unvote.
I'M done with my random.
Because its getting kinda weird.Why should I stop?
Why shouldn't ZEEnon have 4 votes?
Why do I have to be up to something?
I don't see a problem with L-3. L-1 would be pushing it.
I don't know. ARE you up to something?
To me it seems like a distraction. It's pretty clear now that you aren't a cop. So, what are you doing? I believe he's trying to push a case off of himself with this. Thoughts?
Vote: Panzer
Am I up to something? Yes. What am I doing/up to? Starting conversation so I can catch scum. What case am I trying to push off me? There was never as case on me.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.
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